I'm confused by some STEPHENS/ STEVENS family events in St Erth and Crowan circa 1800. From the Cornwall OPC database Samuel STEPHENS married Jane SYMONS (a widow) in St Erth 2 Feb 1801 - however, baptisms to the pair only seem to occur from 1812 onwards (Hugh, 26 Apr 1812; Elizabeth , 3 Apr 1814 and John 10 Aug 1817). There are baptisms to a Samuel STEPHENS and Jenifer in 1802 (Robert) and 1804 (Jenfer). The problem is I can't find a marriage for a Samuel and Jenifer, and Jane and Jenifer seem to me to be sufficiently distinct not to be confused one with another. There is a record of a John STEPHENS marrying a Jenifer BARNS in Crowan in 1801 but I can't find any baptisms to the couple. Any views on whether Jenifer is the same as Jane would be welcome!
Yes, you will find "Jennifer" and "Jane" used interchangeably-- I have seen that mentioned in a few threads here. I have found a number Jennifer/Janes in my own tree, including my 4x great-grandmother Jennifer/Jane Taylor, wife of William Semmons, who married as "Jenifer" and whose tombstone reads "Jane." Fortunately, I found enough records about them to be certain she was one and the same person. Later, I discovered that this was not at all unusual. Definitely confuses me sometimes!
Thanks for the replies. Having accepted that Jane and Jennifer were used interchangeably I can work out a plausible timeline for my Jane/Jennifer. I reckon she was bap. as Jane MARTIN 26 Dev 1776, married Thomas SYMONS as a Jennifer 24 May 1795, remarried Samuel STEPHENS as Jane SYMONS 2 Feb 1801, following the death of Thomas SYMONS in 1798. She seems to have lived most of her life as a Jane according to the censuses, apart from the baptisms I've attributed to her as mother when she was a Jenifer or Jenfer!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2012 7:47:47 GMT -5
I reckon she was bap. as Jane MARTIN 26 Dev 1776, married Thomas SYMONS as a Jennifer 24 May 1795, remarried Samuel STEPHENS as Jane SYMONS 2 Feb 1801,
Roger - the first problem with this little scenario is:-
24th May 1795 Breage Thomas SYMONS married Jenifer MARKS
As Jenifer signed with a mark it is not possible to compare signiatures although sometimes 'marks' can be useful.
In the 1801 Marriage at St Erth Jane Simons, widow is recorded as being 'of Breage' and she also signed with a mark. Unfortunately there is a bit more work to be done before you can safely say that Jenifer Marks and Jane Simons are the same person.
In the Breage marriage Jenifer signed with what is almost an 'X'. It is a downstroke that is slightly more upright than '\' and through this is a line that runs in a downward motion from left to right at an angle of about 30 degrees.
In the St Erth marriage five years later Jane's mark is a longer and almost perpendicular line which bears no resemblance to any part of the earlier mark.
That does not mean it is not the same person but I think you need to check all options thoroughly.
CT, you have obviously checked the register images. Being lazy, I have only looked at the Cornwall OPC database transcript which is as follows:
Parish or Registration District: Breage Date: 24-May 1795 GROOM: Thomas SYMONS Groom's age: Groom's condition: Groom's rank/profession: Tinner Groom's residence: Breage Father: Father's rank/profession: BRIDE: Jennifer MARTIN Bride's age: Bride's condition: Spinster Bride's rank/profession: Bride's residence: Breage Father: Father's rank/profession: Banns(B) or Licence(L): Banns Groom Signed(S) or Marked(M): x Bride Signed(S) or Marked(M): x Witness 1: Thomas Johns Witness 2: Geo Hebard Register notes: Transcriber Notes: Transcriber: Althea Johnson
I guess that illustrates the importance of going back to primary sources!
Given the corrected name for Thomas Symons bride, there is another candidate, Jane MARKS bap 9 Apr 1775 in Breage who is equally plausible. Her earlier birth date also gives her a better match to the predicted 1774 from her stated age of 77 in the 1851 census. But still all very speculative.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2012 13:05:03 GMT -5
Roger - yes, I have checked the original.
I have now taken a look at the OPC record and have submitted a correction.
But interestingly enough I noticed there were two entries in the OPC database for this marriage with the other being that of Phillimore.
And Phillimore has it WRONG also!
Unfortunately I cannot correct that one because it has been transcribed 'as is'. Having just checked my copy of Phillimore I can verify that it is clearly MARTIN in that document which means that Canon Taylor is responsible for yet another error!
Hi this is my first post do forgive me. Donne says he is interested in Stephens. Samuel Stephens and Jane Symons were my ggggrandparents through their son Hugh b 1812. I also not sure whether Jane Martin or Jane Marks was the bride of Thomas Symons though Jane Marks seems more likely. Would be intersted in sharing any information of which I have lots!