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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:30:41 GMT -5
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You would think that as we approached the 1900s these people would be easier to find.... well it ain't so methinks....
Here is a case in point -
Elizabeth Edith Glasson married Thomas Henry Barnes in Feb 1889 (also included on the flaxman website). It is not hard to find the family in 1891 - Thomas and Elizabeth E Barnes at Gwennap with baby Thomas. Also easy to follow them through the next two census - Gwennap in 1901 and Redruth in 1911 - four children in all - Thomas Harold, Ernest Aldred, Samuel Glasson and a late comer in 1910 - Phillip Henry.
Going back in time Elizabeth Edith Glasson, aged 3 in the 1871 census, living with the Sampson family at Phillack, and incidentally Phillack is the place where Elizabeth always said she was born - so born about 1867/1868. Can't find her in 1881 which is the first sign of it being a worry.
Otherwise sounds easy - the marriage certificate for Treleigh states that she was the daughter of Richard Glasson. The name Richard Penberthy Glasson and wife Amelia nee Whear as a Phillack family comes readily to mind although it is a struggle to find a gap in this family for her.... with a set of twins born in 1868 (Bertha & Richard Henry) and a set of twins in 1871 (Annie & Amelia Owen) already.
So my first challenge is to find a birth for her. I can't and an alarm bell rings - there is room for her in 1868 if she illegitimate....
So I cannot find the birth......
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 10, 2012 6:46:59 GMT -5
And there is not one Elizabeth Edith or Edith Elizabeth (anybody) appearing in FreeBMD in either the Redruth or Penzance R.D. in the years 1866-1870. The closest are at Falmouth or Truro and nothing even remotely similar to Glasson. Looks like 1871 is going to have to be the focal point for now.  No Baptism in the Phillack records from early 1867 through to about April 1870 for Elizabeth Edith or Edith Elizabeth. Not much point worrying about FreeBMD as it is always possible the birth was registered without the child having been named. The only other thing I could think of to try was to search the 1881 Census for all persons born at Phillack in the years 1867-1869. I allowed the search to expand to 1866 and 1870 but there is absolutely no sign of any possible match in Ancestry.  CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 9, 2012 12:55:28 GMT -5
Lannanta - having read your initial post again I think there is one question for which an answer might be interesting:- Why name her son SAMUEL GLASSON BARNES? CT |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 15:30:28 GMT -5
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I think that the father of Elizabeth's husband was Samuel - and I assumed that it was the combination of him and her maiden name... but I will need to check when I get home tonight...
A thought that occurred to me was - who is the Elizabeth Sampson that was born in the Redruth district in 1868 - given that Elizabeth Edith Glasson was with the Sampson family when she was 3 years old....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 5:31:31 GMT -5
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Of course, in the 1871 census, Elizabeth Edith Glasson is with Richard and Jane Sampson - Jane being the daughter of Edward and Eleanor Glasson - married in 1856 in the Redruth Registry Office as a 47 year old spinster - Richard a widower which explains a 26 year old daughter.......
Lannanta - welcome back me ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2012 8:59:01 GMT -5
I'm lost  As far as I can see the fact that Elizabeth Edith Glasson was a boarder with Richard and Jane Sampson tells us nothing about who her parents were.  I mean she is age 3 and in 1871 Jane Sampson is age 56 so would have been 53 in 1868 when Elizabeth was not long born! CT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 14:47:01 GMT -5
Not half as lost as I am but I thought that given the child's fathers name was supposed to be Richard Glasson then maybe there was a link between that Richard and Mrs Jane Sampson... I never found it looking quickly last night sadly...
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Post by Glazin2018 on Aug 25, 2023 5:45:12 GMT -5
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I think it is possible that after 11 years there might be an answer to who could be the father of Elizabeth Edith Glasson. The thing that got me really looking hard was - Bullers Terrace - which is where the bride and groom were living at the time of their marriage, and it is also a place that seemed to ring bells with me. I had always just naturally assumed that at the time of the wedding the couple were living in the same house together at Bullers Terrace. Then I thought, perhaps they weren't.
So I looked at the residents of Bullers Terrace in 1891 census. At #1 Bullers Terrace I immediately found the BARNES family, the widow Anna Barnes with children and then I quickly found that Thomas Henry Barnes was the son of Samuel Barnes and Anna Polkinghorne TRAPLING and she was baptised in 1843 at Breage. A perfect match. #2 was the Middletons, #3 Penna - and so on until #9 and here was John and Jane GLASSON, a 47 year old retired goldminer.
So I thought that maybe Elizabeth Edith Glasson had been living with this couple at #9. And then I had a brainwave and went back to #2 - because here were Henry and Ellen MIDDLETON, and Ellen Middleton was born GLASSON and married in 1888 - and in addition, she was also the sister of John Glasson at #9.
Next I went back to the 1881 census as you did earlier. I could not find John Glasson, or Ellen Glasson, or Elizabeth Edith Glasson in the 1881 census.
But what I did know was that John and Ellen GLASSON had a brother Richard Lemin GLASSON and he was not around in 1881 either. So at that point I put a stake in the ground and said to myself - this is a very good option for a man to be Elizabeth Edith Glasson's father.
I looked again at John GLASSON, a retired gold miner in the 1891 census - his wife Jane died in 1896 in Redruth and John died at the Ferreria Gold Mine in Johannesburg in 1910.
Then I looked for Richard Glasson again in the 1881 census and could not find him. But then a wee miracle. Richard Glasson joined the Freemasons in 1886 at St Day - however he was already a Freemason - and he had been initiated into a Lodge in Peru.
So my theory at the moment is this. Richard Lemin Glasson is the Richard Glasson referred to at the 1889 BARNES/GLASSON marriage as the father of the bride. At the time of the marriage Thomas Barnes was living with his mother at #1 Bullers Terrace and Elizabeth Edith Glasson was either living with her aunt Ellen Middleton at #2 or with uncle John Glasson at #9.
All I need now are some shipping records.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 25, 2023 8:08:51 GMT -5
Progress indeed!  You have probably already seen this but, if not, then it may also be useful. England and Wales, National Probate Calendar 1858-1895 1917 GLASSON Richard Lemin of Gew House Redruth Cornwall died 15 May 1917 Probate Bodmin 23 August to Ronald Glasson Middleton outfitter. Former Grant D.R. Bodmin 24 November 1917 That's all I can find at the moment that might be helpful. CT |
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Post by zibetha on Aug 25, 2023 16:10:17 GMT -5
Oh me handsomes, help me if I have got this right, or if I have got this wrong. Richard and Jane (Glasson) Sampson are one page forward on the Census at Phillack from my 3rd great-grandparents Joseph/Josiah Sampson and Amelia but I don't see a connection (phew). For Richard and Jane, I think it was his third marriage 1) Dorcas Chegwin 2) Harriet Hugo -- might be a relative of mine and 3) Jane Glasson. Big problem is that Dorcas apppears to have entered into a bigamous marriage with a Hoskin and is a Sampson at time of probate. Problem No. 2 for me with work to do is that Richard who appears to be from Newlyn/Paul married Harriet (as a widower ?) at Budock in 1841 and I have discovered that I am a Hugo descendant. From the marriage to Harriet, Richard's father was Timothy which leads into him being baptised at Paul and works well with place of birth at Newlyn per Census records.
Why Elizabeth Edith would live with Richard and Jane seems to be a Glasson connection.
Lannanta, if you find records in Peru, I can help with Spanish translation.
As my mother would say, Cheers and Hallelujah!
Zib
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Post by Glazin2018 on Aug 26, 2023 3:06:18 GMT -5
Hello Zib
Before I got too much into Bullers Terrace I did some work on Richard Sampson and Jane Glasson - his 3rd wife, although as you say the 1st wife (Dorcas) was still living in an adulterous relationship with a Mr Hoskin into the 1860s at least when she dropped dead. I did conclude that Richard Sampson was the son of Timothy and Hannah Sullivan and was baptised at Paul. I also concluded that Harriet Hugo was the 2nd wife and that they were married in Budock, thereby guessing that they needed to be away from Phillack where it was known that Richard was not actually a widower as he stated in the marriage register. I did note that they said they were both resident in Budock, but did not say they were "of the parish".
I looked at Richard Lemin Glasson and Richard Sampson's 3rd wife, Jane Glasson, and calculated that the 2 Glassons were 2nd cousins, separated by 2 generations. Richard was always in Redruth during the census when he was not away overseas and Jane appeared twice in Breage before moving to Phillack and appearing twice there.
Ultimately I never found anything to connect Richard and Jane Sampson to Elizabeth Edith Glasson.
Yeghes da!
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