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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 21:05:56 GMT -5
CT et al
I need some lateral thinking please.
I have a marriage certifcate for the Helston Register Office dated the 3rd October 1888. Groom was John Allen son of a deceased John Allen. The bride was a widow, Ann Glasson, daughter of a deceased William Thomas. John aged 25, Ann 28 - both living at Churchtown, Crowan. Witnesses were James Paddock and Susan Annie Pope.
In 1880 or so Ann Thomas married Isaac Glasson and it would all work nicely if Isaac had departed prior to 1888 - but he didn't, he waited until 1926 to do that.
I cannot find a marriage anywhere but I get the sneaking suspicion that I am missing something.....
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2011 2:35:50 GMT -5
Lannanta - I have not been able to find anything at all that might help unfortunately.  I see that Isaac and Ann were still alive and well and living together in 1891 so they are definitely out of the equation with separation of some sort being eliminated. The Glasson marriage may have occurred outside the UK of course and might be hard to track down. Only thing I can suggest is to check the Marriage Certificate again to ensure that the signiatures of both parties match the names on the Certificate. i.e. John Allen signed as John and Ann Glasson signed as Ann. It is someting that I have seen before so it is worth checking. Of course you may have already done that!  CT |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 3:31:30 GMT -5
Hello CT
I have tried hard as well but no luck.
John Allen made his mark whereas Ann Glasson signed.
The interesting thing is that Ann was originally listed as a spinster but then with a correction to widow which was acknowledged in the usual way by the Registrar.
I cannot even find a Glasson male that died in the right time frame to fit the bill - but as you say - maybe overseas and Ann returned to Cornwall.
I also cannot find them in the census after the marriage, nor can I find them in shipping.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2011 12:36:52 GMT -5
I don't know if it will be of any help but I decided to see if I could identify the witnesses.  Susan Annie Pope appears likely to have been born at Illogan around 1863 daughter of John Pope and (I think) Ann Dunstone who married in 1850. In 1891 Susan A Pope was back at Illogan with her parents and she seems to be the only likely candidate even in the earlier Census. James Paddock seems to have been a blow in from out of County. Does not really look to be of much use does it? A look at FreeBMD shows that there was a second Susan Ann Pope birth registered Helston R.D. in 1867 and it looks possible she may have been in the Breage area given Richard Gundry Reed was born at Breage and he appears on the same page in FreeBMD. Unfortunately I cannot find her after that either in FreeBMD or in the Census. CT |
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Post by londoner on Dec 10, 2011 14:07:47 GMT -5
James Paddock seems to have been a blow in from out of County. CT Did you notice he was a retired Police Inspector - and he must have been stationed all around the Penwith area judging by the birthplaces of his children. A link to Crowan in 1881 - he has a niece Mary P Wallis visiting who was b 1864 Crowan. I haven't been able to identify her. I could only find one Ann Thomas with father William - Ann Selina daughter of William Thomas and Ann Selina Richards ( living with grandmother Grace Richards in Redruth 1861) do you think this could be her? |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2011 15:33:27 GMT -5
Londoner - that would be Mary P Wallis who cannot be found in 1871!!  I will look some more to try and find her in case any clues can be found to help with this problem. I don't know about Ann Selina Thomas but if she was born around 1860 then she must be a candidate. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2011 15:33:44 GMT -5
Londoner - that would be Mary P Wallis who cannot be found in 1871!! I will look some more to try and find her in case any clues can be found to help with this problem. I don't know about Ann Selina Thomas but if she was born around 1860 then she must be a candidate. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2011 15:35:26 GMT -5
Sorry about the duplicated message but I am starting to get 'Your request timed out' messages and I have to keep entering the message again. This time it sent the message the first time even though it appeared that it had not.  Not sure why this is happening but if anyone else is having the same problem then please let me know. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2011 15:57:20 GMT -5
Londoner - there may be a very good reason why you cannot identify Mary P Wallis and you may also be onto something in a roundabout way that might offer some clues to the problem of Ann Thomas!  If you search FreeBMD you will NOT FIND any record of a Mary P WALLIS/WALLACE etc. in the Helston R.D. from 1863-1865 ................ but it is interesting to note that you WILL find a Mary Perry THOMAS born in 1865. As I mentioned in my previous post there appears to be no sign of Mary P Wallis (or Mary Wallis) under any spelling who might possibly be the girl from 1881. BUT - you WILL find Mary P THOMAS age 5 born Wendron! 1871 Census Crane, Wendron Ann THOMAS, head, unmarried, 31, annuitant, Wendron Mary Perry do., sister, widow, 44, char woman, Wendron Annie do., niece, unm., 13, scholar, Wendron John do., nephew, 11, stamps labourer, Wendron Thomas T do., nephew, 8, scholar, Wendron Mary P do., niece, 5, Wendron Mary Perry Thomas (widowed sister) appears to have been baptised at Wendron 5th June 1825 daughter of Tobias and Mary Thomas. Drat! - Mary Perry Thomas married THOMAS Thomas in 1854. Mind you, we do have documented evidence that information on Marriage Certificates can be incorrect!  But how and why Mary Perry Thomas might have become Mary Perry WALLIS is beyond me. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 18:14:40 GMT -5
I've been looking for Mary P Wallis and although not coming up with the correct person
I have found a Mary Pomfret Wallis who is living in Lancashire in 1871 with a father
Benjamin Wallis born 1827 St Just.
I just thought this may help some Cornish Wallis researchers.
Lamorna
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 18:20:18 GMT -5
I was timed out on the last message, I requested the message to be entered again and as you can see only one message appeared.
Christmas gremlins about no doubt.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 11, 2011 7:15:53 GMT -5
Just to help complete the picture on Mary Perry Thomas even though it may not be of value to the original question:- Mary Perry Thomas was buried at Wendron 7th June 1896 age 29 But I cannot find her in 1891! CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 11, 2011 7:23:43 GMT -5
And then FamilySearch gives us:- Ann Selina d/o William and Marianne Thomas bp. 25th December 1860 Lelant Checking this against the Lelant Parish Register shows that Ann Selina and Richard Penberthy, son and daughter of William and Marianne Thomas of Charles Town, were baptised on the same day. Another interesting candidate from FamilySearch:- Ann Treloar daughter of William and Elizabeth Thomas bp. 20th January 1858 at Sithney But then the only entry in FreeBMD for Ann Treloar Thomas is a marriage in 1868! Anyone else feel like they are going round in circles here!  CT |
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