William of Falmouth Info/Lannanta and Others

[cornishglassons]

Hi Lannanta

I remember that some while ago you asked me how many children I had listed from the marriage of William Glasson of Falmouth and his wife Elizabeth Mogg. At the time I believed I answered 12.

Yesterday I found a snippet in The Royal Cornwall Gazette 27 September 1828 announcing the birth of the future Rev Henry Glasson:

BIRTHS.
Yesterday Mrs Glasson of Greenbank Falmouth of a son. Being the 17th child and likely to do well.

So thought I would let you know for your records there were more 5 more offspring than I had previously discovered.

Best wishes
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

Well by my thinking Elizabeth Glasson either did not get out of bed for nearly 20 years or there is something amiss with the report from the Royal Cornwall Gazette!

In my database I initially had the following children:-

Richard Mogg Blasson born 17th July 1809 Crowan (bp. 13th August 1809)
William Glasson born 24th August 1812 Falmouth (bp. 29th August 1812)
William Glasson bp. 13th November 1814 Falmouth

Add:-

Jane Glasson bp. 1st August 1813 Budock

By my count that is four!

I then checked the RG4 Non-Conformist records and found this lot:-

Penryn Independent Chapel
Baptisms 1806-1837

25 Jul 1817 William son of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 31 Dec 1815 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

25 Jul 1817 George son of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 15 April 1817 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

02 Feb 1821 Elizabeth daughter of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 22 June 1818 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

02 Feb 1821 George son of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 5 Sep 1819 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

11 Nov 1821 Mary daughter of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 25 July 1821 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

13 Feb 1823 Henry won of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 16 Dec 1822 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

19 Nov 1824 Elizabeth daughter of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 12 Feb 1824 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

21 Dec 1825 Henry son of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 9 Dec 1825 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

12 Aug 1827 Emma Lemon daughter of William Glasson of Green Bank and Elizabeth his wife, was born 30 Mar 1827 and was baptized by Tim Wildbore

That is another nine which brings the total to 13 after which we can now add:-

Henry Glasson born 26th September 1828 Green Bank, Falmouth (per Royal Cornwall Gazette

that gives us a grand total of 14 children yet this last child is supposedly the 17th!

Now let's look at the list in a simplified manner with the Birth Dates in order. (A couple only have baptisms as shown):-

17 Jul 1809 Richard Mogg Glasson
24 Aug 1812 William Glasson
01 Aug 1813 Jane Glasson (baptism only)
03 Nov 1814 William Glasson (baptism only)
31 Dec 1815 William Glasson
15 Apr 1817 George Glasson
22 Jun 1818 Elizabeth Glasson
05 Sep 1819 George Glasson
25 Jul 1821 Mary Glasson
16 Dec 1822 Henry Glasson
12 Feb 1824 Elizabeth Glasson
09 Dec 1825 Henry Glasson
30 Mar 1827 Emma Lemon Glasson
26 Sep 1828 Henry Glasson

Between 1809 and 1812 there is a gap of 3 years but apart from that there is very little room to fit another three children.

But then perhaps after all those years and all that effort Elizabeth had simply lost count! ;D

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Following from my last - I also checked Non-Conformist Burials from the RG4 records:-

Penryn Independent Chapel
Ponsarden Ground between Falmouth and Penryn
Burials 1808-1834

21 Dec 1818 John Glazen of Penryn died aged 27 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore
3 Jan 1819 Geo Glasson of Green Bank died aged 2 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore
22 Sep 1823 Miss E Glasson of Green Bank died age 5 ½ years and was buried by Tim Wildbore
24 Sep 1824 Henry Glasson of Green Bank died aged nearly 2 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore
30 Dec 1825 Henry infant son of Jno Glasson of Green Bank died and was buried by Tim Wildbore
May 1826 Mr Glazen of Penryn died and was buried by E Muscutt
24 Sep 1830 Mr R Glasson of Green Bank died aged 21 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore – Cousins drowned by upsetting of a boat in Falmouth Harbour – Buried at the same time
24 Sep 1830 Henry Mogg of Bridgewater died aged 20 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore - Cousins drowned by upsetting of a boat in Falmouth Harbour – Buried at the same time

Falmouth Independent Chapel
Ponsarden Ground situate between Falmouth and Penryn
Burials 1808-1837

3 Jan 1819 George Glasson of Green Bank died aged about 2 years and was buried by Timo Wildbore
23 May 1826 Mr Wm Glazen of Penryn died aged 75 years and was buried by Edwd Muscutt
18 May 1831 Mrs Judith Glazen of Penryn died aged 75 years and was buried by Edwd Muscutt

CT

[cornishglassons]

Dec 1, 2011 8:43:03 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Well by my thinking Elizabeth Glasson either did not get out of bed for nearly 20 years or there is something amiss with the report from the Royal Cornwall Gazette!

17 Jul 1809 Richard Mogg Glasson
24 Aug 1812 William Glasson
01 Aug 1813 Jane Glasson (baptism only)
03 Nov 1814 William Glasson (baptism only)
31 Dec 1815 William Glasson
15 Apr 1817 George Glasson
22 Jun 1818 Elizabeth Glasson
05 Sep 1819 George Glasson
25 Jul 1821 Mary Glasson
16 Dec 1822 Henry Glasson
12 Feb 1824 Elizabeth Glasson
09 Dec 1825 Henry Glasson
30 Mar 1827 Emma Lemon Glasson
26 Sep 1828 Henry Glasson

Between 1809 and 1812 there is a gap of 3 years but apart from that there is very little room to fit another three children.

But then perhaps after all those years and all that effort Elizabeth had simply lost count! ;D

CT

Hi CT!

I thought my house was crowded with 5 children....imagine all that washing (and no machines!!!!) and cooking for 19 every night!!

But seriously I agree with your list - though you actually have a third William (thanks for that) I did not know of. I agree there is not much time for others. If the newspaper report IS correct perhaps there were some twins who were stillborn and therefore not registered. It's re-ignited my interest in the family though. I'll let you know if I come across any other info.

Best wishes
Carole

[cornishglassons]

Dec 1, 2011 9:19:43 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

24 Sep 1830 Mr R Glasson of Green Bank died aged 21 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore – Cousins drowned by upsetting of a boat in Falmouth Harbour – Buried at the same time
24 Sep 1830 Henry Mogg of Bridgewater died aged 20 years and was buried by Tim Wildbore - Cousins drowned by upsetting of a boat in Falmouth Harbour – Buried at the same time

CT

FYI here is the newspaper report on the drowning:

From the Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette dated Thursday 14 October 1830:
A most melancholy accident occured in Falmouth harbour a few days since by the upsetting of a boat belonging to Mr. W. Glasson merchant of that town. His eldest son Mr R. Glasson; Mr H. Mogg son of Mr H. Mogg merchant of Bridgewater; and a waterman named Chant of that place were in the boat at the same time and most destressing to oberve; Mr Glasson and Mr Mogg met with a watery grave; Chant the waterman from being a good swimmer was fortunately saved. The accident happened during a heavy squall of Trefusis Point. They left early in the morning on a shooting excursion but the badness of the weather prompted them to forego their original intention and at the time of the accident they were returning home. The bodies of the unfortunate young men were picked up shortly after the lamentable event.

Best Wishes
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Carole - thanks for the additional information on the drowning.

I was unable to locate burials for a couple of those children so if you have them I would appreciate the information.
The two main ones would be the first two Williams who I would have thought would have been found at Falmouth.

CT

[cornishglassons]

Dec 2, 2011 3:23:41 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

I was unable to locate burials for a couple of those children so if you have them I would appreciate the information.
The two main ones would be the first two Williams who I would have thought would have been found at Falmouth.

CT

Hi CT

So sorry but I haven't been able to find burial details for the first two Williams at either Budock Church; Penryn Independent or Falmouth. I wonder if it were possible they were buried at Crowan....the family were living there until at least 1809? I have also checked The Royal Cornwall Gazette and nothing there though I haven't got access to the West Briton online. The Williams are so elusive that I wondered if it were possible there were only two of them - one who had been baptised twice? I'll let you know if something turns up...I do intend to go to the Record Office at Truro again at some point though probably not until the Spring.

Not sure if you have the deaths of the other siblings who made it to adulthood. Here there are if not:

Jane Glasson (remained unmarried)
Baptised 1 August 1813
Died 19 May 1896 in Kensington London

George Glasson
Born 5 September 1819
Married Susan Thomas on 18 February 1851 in Kensington London
Died 14 June 1895 in Hammersmith Middlesex

Mary Glasson
Born 25 July 1821
Married Francis Polkinghorne Pascoe on 28 November 1843 in Budock Cornwall
Died 6 April 1851 in Montpellier France

Elizabeth Glasson (remained unmarried)
Born 12 February 1824
Died 1900 in Reigate Surrey

Emma Lemon Glasson
Born 30 March 1827
Married Philip Jaquet on 11 September 1843 in Budock
Died 22 December 1913 in Broadstone Dorset

I think this is such a fascinating branch of the Glasson family!

Best wishes
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

Carole - there are no burials at Crowan for the early children and I agree none at Budock. I have the Crowan PRs so have looked at images of the originals.
It is possible that the first William was baptised twice but if that were the case I would have to query why the second baptism did not take place at Budock when Jane was baptised.

Either way there is at the very least one burial not yet found.

I did not have anything on the remaining member of this family so thank you for the additional.

CT

[Deleted]

Hi Carole

BIRTHS.
Yesterday Mrs Glasson of Greenbank Falmouth of a son. Being the 17th child and likely to do well.

Yes, certainly is our man, and I believe waited until 1945 to be baptised.

I see that you and CT have been talking about three Williams. I would agree that the last William was born around 1816, as his death appears in the newspaper as well....

19 AUGUST 1842, Friday
Yesterday, at Budock, much and deservedly beloved and respected, William, eldest son of William GLASSON, Esq., of Green Bank, Falmouth, aged 26 years.

Need time to digest the rest, but I note that I do have most of them.... I must admit though that I always thought in the early days that there must have been two Wms & Elizabeth but that is not the case.

Lannanta - by the way - with all that washing it shows the value in choosing a good woman.... ;D ;D

[zibetha]

Ah, Lannanta,

Finally, I know what men really want. Thank you. And here I was worrying about the time and work involved in making enough pasties to feed that crew while the daughters did the wash and cared for their younger siblings.

Silly me,

Zibetha

[Deleted]

Zibetha - you are welcome - all part of the friendly service...

[cornishglassons]

Dec 3, 2011 22:30:07 GMT -5 @lannanta said:

I Need time to digest the rest, but I note that I do have most of them.... I must admit though that I always thought in the early days that there must have been two Wms & Elizabeth but that is not the case.

Hi Lannanta

You have reminded me of something. There WAS another William Glasson Senior living in the Falmouth Area in the 1820s - I think in Penryn. I had not come across him in any records but when I visited the area and obtained local history books and several booklets in Budock Church a 2nd William did appear. Or at least it became obvious to me that they were talking of two different men even if it wasn't always made clear. The other William was a miller but the name of his wife was not mentioned.

Looking through CT's information again though I am wondering if he was the William Glazen who died in 1826 at the age of 75. In which case it is likely that Judith Glazen who died in 1831 was his wife.

I'll remind myself of the info again later....but must do the roast potatoes for dinner first!!

Best wishes
Carole

[Deleted]

Hi Carole

I can remember that there is a line of Glassons that goes back from the likes of William and Judith in the Penryn area and would appear to be quite separate from the family discussed here - right back pre 1700s. I have pretty much left them alone to date.

Lannanta

[Glazin2018]

Good morning

Just some food for thought regarding this old thread.

Well by my thinking Elizabeth Glasson either did not get out of bed for nearly 20 years or there is something amiss with the report from the Royal Cornwall Gazette!

17 Jul 1809 Richard Mogg Glasson
24 Aug 1812 William Glasson
01 Aug 1813 Jane Glasson (baptism only)
03 Nov 1814 William Glasson (baptism only)
31 Dec 1815 William Glasson
15 Apr 1817 George Glasson
22 Jun 1818 Elizabeth Glasson
05 Sep 1819 George Glasson
25 Jul 1821 Mary Glasson
16 Dec 1822 Henry Glasson
12 Feb 1824 Elizabeth Glasson
09 Dec 1825 Henry Glasson
30 Mar 1827 Emma Lemon Glasson
26 Sep 1828 Henry Glasson

Between 1809 and 1812 there is a gap of 3 years but apart from that there is very little room to fit another three children.

But then perhaps after all those years and all that effort Elizabeth had simply lost count!

Elizabeth was clearly a one child per year woman particularly during her earlier married life.

From the quote above we see Richard Mogg (July 1809) was born/baptised in Crowan.  William Glasson (August 1812) was born/baptised in Falmouth.

I think the missing children, 3 if the report is correct, are missing from this era.  Husband William Glasson is a well-established successful merchant and businessman of this time, and it is more than possible that if he says 17 then he knew what he meant.

So there are three burials in Crowan that would fit.  The first was a Henry who was buried the month after the wedding at Crowan on the 6th July 1808.  The second is a William Edward buried at Crowan on the 26th September 1810. The third is a Jane buried at Crowan on the 13th September 1811.

So I would accept that Elizabeth was well pregnant when she married and up until son Henry in 1828 she is regularly pregnant.  These three make the 17.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

It would be much easier to accept if there was a baptism for at least one of those three but although it is a very tight timeframe I do agree it is just possible those three could belong to William and Elizabeth (Mogg) Glasson as you suggest. I certainly still have them as 'unknowns' in my Glasson spreadsheets.

CT