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Post by joanne on Oct 5, 2011 3:00:17 GMT -5
Hello, needing help with some information regarding my "BARNES" Family... I have as follows and hoping someone may be able to add to this info cheers.. Stephen Barnes bp 20th June 1714 in Paul,d 1794 Paul, m Sarah Hoskin 1739 in Paul Children Stephen Junior Barnes (my interest)bp 28th July 1740 in Paul, m Anne Richards 21st April 1765 in Paul ,thus far ascertain 3 children.. 1:Stephen Barnes bp 28th October 1765 in Paul( my interest)...he was a pilot....he married Margaret Tonkin in Paul 1791.....their children a Stephen Barnes born???...Ann Corno Barnes(mine) 1797, Rosetta Barnes 1799,James 1802 and Richard 1808...the family travelled and resided in Devon and??? SIBLINGS OF Stephen Barnes b 1740 are: William Barnes bp 1744 Sarah Barnes bp 1746 Richard Barnes 1749 John Barnes 1753 all bp in Paul, Cornwall... Now Stephen jrn.Barnes b 1740 first wife Anne Richards died in 1775 in Paul after the birth of her infant daughter Anne dec 1775..... they had children 1...Stephen 1765, Richard 1767 & Anne 1775.....Stephen then married Joan Trewavas in 1776 having 5 children Anne 1777,Jane 1779 Thomas 1780,Sarah 1782Mary 1786..... Back to Stephen Barnes b 1765 a pilot m Margaret Tonkin can any one shed some light on his death before 1839, his daughter Ann married John Good, Rosetta m Thomas Collis and some of the family came to South Australia, now their son Stephen born??? was an Officer in the Coast Guard Services in Ireland.....he had at least 7 children info be great cheers Thanks Joanne  |
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Post by marychown on Oct 5, 2011 10:15:49 GMT -5
Hello Joanne,
I am also descended from this same Barnes family i.e. from Stephen Barnes (1714-1794) and his wife Sarah nee Hoskin (1712-1786). OPC records Stephen as being the son of Thomas Barns of Paul. I think this was Thomas Barns who according to an IGI submitted entry was baptised at St. Buryan on 17 Feb 1684. On 12 Jan 1711 Thomas Barns married Janes Calinack at Paul - according to Phillimore the entry reads Thomas Barry (Barns) & Jane Calinack 12 Jan 1711. I have found four children all baptised at Paul for Thomas and Jane: Jane (16 Nov 1712); Stephen (26 Dec 1714); Thomas (26 Dec 1718); Richard (26 Mar 1722).
My own descent is from Stephen and Sarah Barnes's son John Barnes (baptised Paul 18 Feb 1753; buried Paul 28 July 1824). John also married a Joan Trewavas (I believe she was the daughter of George Trewavas and his wife Mary Trewavas nee Nicholls whereas Joan Trewavas who married John's brother Stephen Barnes was the daughter of William Trewavas and his wife Anne Trewavas nee Yeaman) - all very confusing!
John Barnes and Joan Trewavas married at Paul on 16 Feb 1783 and I can find six children for them all baptised at Paul: Thomas (17 Dec 1783); William (17 Mar 1785); Mary (17 Apr 1786); Richard (11 Jan 1789); John (Oct 1791); George Trewavas Barnes (15 June 1794).
My direct ancestor John Barnes (1791-1868) married Mary Elizabeth Tremethick at Paul on 24 Feb 1816. Their children all baptised at Paul were Johanna Barnes, my 3xgreat-grandmother (20 Oct 1816); John Tremethack Barnes (22 March 1818); Mary Barnes (30 Jan 1820).
Johanna Barnes (1816-1891) married William Trembath at Paul on 27 Jan 1838 and they had 12 children - my great-great-grandmother being Mary Ann Trembath (baptised at Paul on 16 Jan 1842 who married James Thomas Harvey of Mousehole at Paul on 31 Oct 1863. Mary Ann Harvey died in 1926 aged 84.
All the best,
Mary
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Post by joanne on Oct 5, 2011 22:27:42 GMT -5
 ...Mary wonderful to hear from you and all so fascinating.....thankyou for informing me of Stephens brother John and your ancestors, I shall add them to my tree.......Wow I image that makes us kin somewhere along the line........some sort of distant cousins...... Have been trying to discover what happened to Stephen born 1765 his death, etc.. CT so fantasticly helped me and discovered he was a pilot...so now the search is on........AnnCorno Barnes married JOHN GOOD at Maker cornwall on 30th nov 1817 from igi her husband John Good died aged 73 in Adelaide SA on 23rd Feb 1856... my gggg Ann Corno Barnes(died aged 78 in Adelaide on5th Sept. 1875 she had my ggg grandfather JOHN THOMAS GOOD some where in England????c 1827 he died in South Australia aged 69 on 30 may 1896 John Thomas Good married ALice Cox nee BEE a widow, in Sa on 8th Dec 1855, Alice died 25th Oct. 1869 aged 36 from Consumption, their son JOHN JAMES GOOD my gg grandfather was born in Adelaide on1st April 1857 he married ALICE PINNINGTON on 4th june 1891 in Adelaide.....John James Good died aged 64 in Adelaide 18th Feb. 1921 of course there are other children to each of my ancestors if interested at a later date when i put everything together i wil email you the details cheers Joanne
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Post by marychown on Oct 6, 2011 8:53:06 GMT -5
It's nice to be in touch with another Barnes of Paul parish descendant, Joanne.
I have some information which may interest you concerning a brother of Joan Trewavas, the second wife of your direct ancestor Stephen Barnes (baptised Paul 28 July 1740). Joan, who was the daughter of William Trewavas (1721-1812) and Anne Yeaman who were married at Paul on 18 Sep 1748. I believe that they had 10 children the youngest of whom was William Trewavas (baptised Paul 19 Oct 1766) and he was hanged at Bodmin Gaol on 28 March 1793 for the murder of Martha Blewett.
According to notes taken from Paul Burial Register Martha Blewett was buried at Paul on 27 Nov 1792 (it can be found on the OPC site burial entry)
'This aged person (Martha Blewett) on Monday, 26th Nov1792 between nine and ten o'clock in the forenoon, as she was journeying on the road from Mousehole to Paul Church Town, was robbed of all her little property, which she had by great industry and parsimony saved together for the support of declining age and most inhumanely murdered, her throat being cut from ear (a young man not exceeding the 26th year of his age) was on the Tuesday, the same evening that this most unfortunate woman was buried, apprehended and from a variety of depositions and corroborating circumstances, committed to the County Gaols as the person supposed guilty of this attrocious and bloody deed'.
The following is the inscription upon the cross erected in Mousehole Road near where the body of Martha Blewett was found:
'Remember the Almighty, the Great of Kings and Lord of Lords hath in the table of law commanded "Thou shalt do no murder".'William Trewavas was tried at Launceston for this murder and found guilty and suffered the punishment due to his offence on Monday, 28 March 1783.
From the list of executions at Bodmin - Egloshayle and St. Breock -the first Bodmin Gaol was built in 1779, and the execution of condemned men took place in a number of different places since that time and NOT, as widely believed, within the confines of the Gaol itself. On Bodmin Moor: 1793 William Trewavas, 23 years, Murder of Martha Blewett.
All the best for now,
Mary
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Post by joanne on Oct 8, 2011 8:01:56 GMT -5
Hello Mary, WOW...  .I was aghast at this crime....Fascinated also, thankyou so much very interesting,but as I was reading the surname Blewett rang a bell... I knew I had recently read the surname in connection with a Barnes..... In my anticipation to reply i have yet to verify my very speculative thoughts but i shall write them down now ...probably best to check but with my limited research for now(i am learning) if i cant find a connection or non connection someone else may.... RICHARD BARNES bp 4th April 1767 son of STEPHEN BARNES JUNIOR& ANNE RICHARDS,( my ancestors as i believe )married in Paul ON 10th May 1794 ELIZABETH BLEWITT.....I wonder if she was a relative of Martha,  I do imagine there were probably many different families but you never know.... I shall let you know how i go with this thought of mine could be fanciful afterall!!! Thankyou Mary, Appreciate the information you have enlightened and shared with me......facinating!!! It is lovely being in contact with you i have yet to work out in the confusing family heirachy of cousins ,uncles aunts so far back but with your John Barnes being the brother of my Stephen Barnes, Uncle to Ann CORNO BARNES 7 Ann being my 4 xGreat grandmother , i would be ??... have a lovely weekend, and Thanks again truley great stuff..... Kind regards Joanne |
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Post by marychown on Oct 9, 2011 4:32:03 GMT -5
Hello Joanne,
I don't think your thoughts about a connection between Martha Blewett and the Barnes family is fanciful at all. Just about all my mother's ancestors came from Paul parish and I myself have links to both these families (the amount of intermarrying which went on in that small village is amazing - but it seems that by and large people didn't marry anybody closer than a second cousin!). I myself have links to both the Barnes and Blewett families and have done some work on both these families.
My 5xgreat-grandparents were Anne Blewett and Robert Macrarey (whose family name was subsequently changed to McClary and who originally is said to have hailed from Ireland). At the time of his marriage to Anne Blewett at Paul 31 Oct 1771 Robert was a seaman aboard the sloop HM Wolf which was at that time in Mounts Bay), but Robert married Anne Blewett at Paul and remained in Mousehole. Anne Blewett baptised at Paul on 19 Feb 1748 was the daughter of William Blewett (baptised St. Levan 14 June 1713) and Elizabeth Bands (baptised Paul 21 Jan 1706) who were married at Paul on 24 May 1733. William Blewett was the son of John Blewett and his wife Mary who according to Phillimore's marriages were married at Madron on 22 June 1695. John and Mary had a daughter called Martha Blewett, baptised at Paul on 11 March 1719 (OPC Paul baptism record) and I believe that she was the Martha Blewett murdered by William Trewavas. So Martha Blewett was a sister of William Blewett (1713). William Blewett and his wife Elizabeth nee Bands had a son John Blewett (baptised Paul 11 Oct 1741) who married Jane Huffnam at Paul on 7 July 1765. They had a daughter called Elizabeth Blewett (baptised Paul 26 June 1768) who I believe is the Elizabeth Blewett who married Richard Barnes at Paul on 10 May 1794.
To complicate matters, there was also an Elizabeth Blewett (baptised Paul 14 Oct 1770) and from the same Blewett family. She was the daughter of Stephen Blewett and his second wife Joan Matthews who were married at Paul on 2 Nov 1767. Stephen Blewett (baptised at Paul 22 June 1744) was also a son of William Blewett and his wife Elizabeth nee Bands. Stephen Blewett had first married Joan Carnpezzack at Paul on 1 June 1765 and they had a son John Carne Blewett (baptised at Paul on 4 Dec 1765 - the same day as his mother Joan was buried at Paul), so Joan presumably died in or shortly after childbirth. Stephen Blewett later married Joan Matthews at Paul on 2 Nov 1767 and they had two daughters - Joan (baptised Paul 10 June 1768 and Elizabeth (baptised Paul 14 Oct 1770).
I have had difficulty determining whether Richard Barnes married Elizabeth Blewett (1768) d/o John Blewett (1741) or Elizabeth Blewett (1770) d/o Stephen Blewett (1744) - John's brother. I have looked at the names of their children for clues. Richard Barnes and Elizabeth Blewett's children - all girls and baptised at Paul were:
Elizabeth Barnes (baptised 18 Oct 1795);
Mary Barnes (baptised 9 April 1797 and died 7 Jan 1798);
Mary Barnes (baptised 24 Feb 1799);
Jane Barnes (baptised 8 Nov 1801);
Sally Barnes (baptised 17 Mar 1805);
Lydia Barnes (baptised 1 Feb 1807 and died 23 May 1808);
Lydia Barnes (baptised 7 May 1809);
Priscilla Barnes (baptised 19 Jan 1812.
Due to the fact that one daughter was named Jane Barnes, I would say that Richard Barnes married Elizabeth Blewett d/o John Blewett (1741) and his wife Jane Huffnam. But in either case, because the two Elizabeth's were first cousins they would have been related to Martha Blewett who was their grandfather William Blewitt's sister.
Hope this has helped to clarify the family relationships
All the best for now,
Mary
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 9, 2011 6:37:57 GMT -5
Mary - if that were the case then it would set Paul well apart from just about every other Parish in West Cornwall! First-cousin marriages were more the norm then the exception I think you will find.  In fact, in my family there is one stretch of at least three generations in succession all being first cousins! Another fact from my own family is that three siblings from one Trewhella family married three siblings from another Trewhella family and the father's of both sets of siblings were brothers! ;D CT |
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Post by marychown on Oct 9, 2011 11:44:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately I did not express myself very clearly in my earlier posting, CT. I can only speak of my own lineage in Paul parish and my discovery that I don't think that any of my ancestors there were first cousins marrying whereas in Zennor and Madron several of my ancestors were first cousins who married. It probably differed from family to family. Certainly in close knit communities in Cornwall in the past marrying of first cousins was common.
Mary
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Post by joanne on Oct 10, 2011 4:04:32 GMT -5
Mary , Thankyou for all your valuable information,all so very interesting you are very well informed on your family i imagine many years of research and i look forward to all you have to reveal!!! Its so facinating, have you found much about the Barnes family? ,would love to know of all you would like to share.... I recall reading somewhere that first cousins married alot everywhere in England and admit that the same was done here but not as frequently!!! tea time but wanted to let you know i appreciate your work, cheers Joanne |
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Post by marychown on Oct 10, 2011 10:19:59 GMT -5
Hello Joanne,
I am sending you a Private Message via this site re the Barnes family.
Regards,
Mary
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...Mary wonderful to hear from you and all so fascinating.....thankyou for informing me of Stephens brother John and your ancestors, I shall add them to my tree.......Wow I image that makes us kin somewhere along the line........some sort of distant cousins......
.I was aghast at this crime....Fascinated also, thankyou so much very interesting,but as I was reading the surname Blewett rang a bell... I knew I had recently read the surname in connection with a Barnes.....
