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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 18:33:37 GMT -5
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I note that you are busy with another couple of families but I am putting this here for you and others to ponder over when and if you have a moment.
In the 1901 census I came across a John GLASSON and his wife E. C. GLASSON, and 14 year old daughter Olive GLASSON.
The John GLASSON is the son of James GLASSON and Eleanor, nee JEWELL, and E. C. GLASSON is Elizabeth Catherine GLASSON, nee NEWTON. This couple were married in 1892 in the Redruth District.
So it is clear that Olive must be from elsewhere because she is 14 years old and the marriage is only 8 or so years old.
In 1891, 39 year old Elizabeth Catherine NEWTON is with her parents in Gwithian and 49 year old John GLASSON is the head of the household at Trevoole. No Olive anywhere in sight.
But in Camborne there is a 3 year old lodger by the name of Olive E Whitburn, born in Camborne. In FreeBMD the birth is recorded in 1888 of Olive Ninnis WHITBURN. I am suggesting that the Olive in the GLASSON household in 1901 is this Olive.
Where does she come from - no idea - probably adopted.
Would appreciate any lateral thinking that would prove, or disprove, this analysis.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 2, 2011 19:45:09 GMT -5
Interesting - first thing to comment on is the name in the 1891 Census. On the original form it is simply 'Olive Whitburn' - there is no middle initial. And a search of FreeBMD for 'Olive Whitburn' born in Cornwall brings up just two - Olive Niness Whitburn in 1888 and then not another until 1926. On that basis I would agree with you that she must be the birl with the Glasson family. And there appears to have been no Olive Ninnes (var.) born in Cornwall to account for the name either.  Will think on it.  CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 20:21:43 GMT -5
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Forgot to add the marriage record that I had:
Olive Ennis Glasson, aged 19 years, spinster - no parents listed.
Married
Alfred Ernest Rowe, aged 24, bachelor, son of Alfred Rowe, farmer.
Witnesses were John Glasson and Alfred Rowe.
In 1911 the couple were at Trevoole with a daughter Alice Kathleen Rowe.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 3, 2011 8:17:52 GMT -5
Certainly appears tbe the same girl but at the moment I don't think I have any records that would give an indication of who her parents might have been. And my work on the Ninnes family has not extended into the Camborne/Redruth area very much as yet so I have no clues from that angle. Might be another one for the backburner for a little while. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 4, 2011 1:10:43 GMT -5
Lannanta - do you think the following marriage might be of any use?  4th July 1886 Baldhu by Banns Joseph GLASSON, full age, bachelor, miner of Baldhu (son of Samuel Glasson, Inn Keeper) Celia Ellen NINNISS, full age, spinster, of Baldhu (daughter of John Ninniss, farmer) Witnesses - Joseph Gill, Richard Truran Suspiciously close to the birth of Olive and Baldhu was formed out of part of Kea so not far away.  (Marriage is on the OPC site) CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2011 15:54:06 GMT -5
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I do not think so. The Joseph you mention above was the son of Samuel GLASSON and Mary GRIBBLE, and the grandson of John Penhale GLASSON and Honour BISHOP.
The John I refer to was the son of James GLASSON and Eleanor JEWELL and the grandson of John GLASSON and Elizabeth BOTTRALL.
At this stage I can see no other option than to accept that Olive was simply taken in by this couple and adopted.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 5, 2011 1:40:29 GMT -5
Aha! - right name associations but wrong links.  Okay, I will keep my eyes open and see what else I might be able to turn up. CT |
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Post by sue on Jun 5, 2011 11:51:47 GMT -5
Not so much lateral thinking as casting the net desperately wide! ;D
In my sometimes irrational looking around, all I can see is that an Olive Newton was baptized 11 Sep 1899 to Samuel & Gertrude of St Erth.
As far as I can see, I think Samuel James Newton was son of Wm Newton ( & Elizabeth Ann) b Zennor 1828; whilst Elizabeth Newton who married John Glasson was child of Henry Newton ( & Catherine Trewhella) b Zennor 1814. I believe Henry and Wm were both sons of Henry Newton of Zennor; Henry by 1st wife Elizabeth Phillips, Wm by 2nd wife Mary Hollow.
Thus, Samuel Newton who baptized a child Olive in 1899 was 1st cousin to Elizabeth Catherine Newton who apparently adopted a child Olive – I'm guessing before 1899..... & perhaps Olive Newton was named after Olive Whitburn/Glasson. Doesn't get you anywhere Lannanta, it's just of peripheral interest!
As to Ninnes or Whitburn families in Camborne: between 1881 & 1891 Wm & Grace Ninnes & family have moved in to Menadarva outside town, from St Ives, Wm having had a change of career from fisherman to miner. They had had a son Edward born Dec Q 1871. Not sure where he disappears to by 1891..... Or John Ninnis footloose 1891 age 24 at Brea, Camborne; JMW Ninnis footloose 1891 age 28 @ Centenary Row Camborne.
Whitburns: well, there's only one family in Camborne that I can see. They have a daughter Nanny born Dec Q 1871. She goes on to marry in 1895, to a Frederick Faulkner from out of county.
It seems to me that it is possible that Nanny could be mother of Olive born 1888, & the baby is farmed out. The Jenkins sisters in whose household 3 yr old Olive is lodging in 1891 had a nursechild in their family home a couple of censuses earlier.
I can't find any blood relationship between the spinster Jenkins sisters & Olive Whitburn, nor between John Glasson/Elizabeth Newton & Olive.
It could be that Elizabeth Newton, marrying at an age in the 1890s when she was near enough too old to have children of her own, was willing to take on any orphaned/illegitimate-perhaps-unwanted child.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 16:36:25 GMT -5
Hi Sue That is exactly the conclusion I have come to. I cannot see any way to prove any other link so for me she is parked in the corner. Lannanta |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 2:56:53 GMT -5
No link established to the Glasson family for Olive but:
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