Charles Glasson of 1840 at Redruth

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Lannanta - there is always plenty to do.

But don't let that stop you presenting things for me to look at or investigate.

CT

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No fear of that me handsome - I do not have the ability to put things together analytically as you do so I will have plenty for you to muse over in the days to come.

I am getting to the more difficult left overs so nothing left is going to be easy.

However, I did think that this would be a bit easier, especially with two Johns with second names - Penberthy and Penhalle, but in the end it has not helped at all.

Then working out that Richard had his name changed to Charles I thought was a stroke of luck, but another dead end.

It will be good when more information becomes available, particularly from overseas, - this is the second Charles that has disappeared.

Lannanta

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CT

I think that I have found the answer.

Firstly, back to the married couple John Penhalle Glasson and Honour Bishop. Married in 1819 in Reduth. Now I have that John Penhalle Glasson died in Oct 1851 but I made a serious error and did not record the source. However at this stage I am going to assume that I got the date from a reliable source. So he appears in the 1851 census but dies soon after.

12 year old Charles Glasson of West End Redruth, son of John Glasson (deceased) died on the 26th February 1852 as a result of a fall some two years before. The informant was one John Glasson of the same place, assumed to be his brother.

Therefore Charles did not, as I originally assumed, move away. He died.

Therefore the husband of Amelia Whear must have been Richard Penberthy Glasson.

Lannanta

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Hmm - so do we still assume that Charles is Richard?

I have the birth details for Richard (1840) in my database and have quoted the Birth Certificate.
Now I have to presume that you sent me a copy of that Certificate but I am unable to find it where I usually save all that information.

I do not have any death details for John Glasson snr but there is a Death in FreeBMD Redruth R.D. for the December Qtr of 1851.

CT

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CT

Hmm - so do we still assume that Charles is Richard?

Have to mate. The parents are unmistakeably defined on the certificate, the Richard mentioned on the certificate disappears from birth and a Charles appears in his place.

Lannanta

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CT

Taking a leap forward now - I am working on the assumption that Richard Penberthy Glasson married Amelia Whear in 1862 at Phillack (Wesleyan). Richard was the son of John Glasson and Ann Penberthy - he of Crowan, she of St Erth.

Richard and Amelia had six children between the time of their marriage and the 1871 census, in which Richard does not appear and nor does he appear in any subsequent census, no deaths to suit his age, so it is likely he went to a copper mine overseas.

In 1863 when Mary Louisa was born he was said to be a copper miner.
In 1865 when William was born a copper miner.
In 1868 when Bertha was born a coal porter - he is likely in Wales methinks.

The children were Mary Louisa, William John, Bertha and Richard Henry (twins) and Amelia Owens and Annie (twins). Both of these two young children died very young.

Richard Henry died in Wales aged 28 in 1897.
William John married Caroline Whitford in 1901 and died in 1908 in Cornwall.
Bertha married William Devonald in Swansea and they settled there, along with mother Amelia who eventually died in 1918.
Mary Louisa also married in Swansea to a Ludgvan man James Michell.

CT, you said that the name Owens was of interest, well Mary Louisa named her first daughter Martha Oyns Michell and her first son James Garfield Michell.

Interesting? It would not surprise me if Richard Penberthy Glasson had been in Wales and he brought the name Owens into the family.

Lannanta

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Lannanta - Richard may have been in Wales at some point but he certainly cannot be found anywhere in 1871.

It is worth noting though that 'coal porters' were not confined to Wales and if you follow the recent Davies thread you will find that Illogan was home to quite a number of men in that occupation.

CT

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CT

Fully agree with that. I am not going to spend any more time looking for Richard Penberthy Glasson as there is little value in doing so. I am hoping that one day he may just turn up.

Lannanta

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That sounds like a plan.

It would not be the first time one of our 'missing persons' has just turned up with seemingly little effort ......

Little effort meaning that perhaps too much effort was expended initially and putting the search aside simply allowed the person to surface in due course.