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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 6, 2011 10:10:09 GMT -5
Well here we are Traceylou - a new thread just for you.  Lannanta - you may recall we discussed the family of George Glasson and Ann Vingoe Pearce some time bck.  Bertha Glasson appears to be a direct descendant of this couple although I do still have some work to do on it. And it looks like George and Ann are at Stoke Damerel in 1841 with all members of the family recorded as being born 'In County' - i.e. Devon!  George Glasson, 30, rope maker Ann do., 30 Mary do., 8 Henry do., 5 Ann do., 2 mo. George was actually born about 1802 I think but we know there was a daughter Ann Vingoe Glasson born in 1829 and died in 1835 and she was followed by daughter Mary born 1832 and son Henry Pearce Glasson born 1836. Ann Vingoe Glasson died at Stoke Damerel December Qtr 1842 and I was about to suggest that this was George Glasson's wife but .... Daughter Ann Vingoe Glasson was born at Stoke Damerel June Qtr 1841 nd is not found in 1851 so the above death is probably her. There is a death for an Ann Glasson at Stoke Damerel in the September Qtr of 1842 and that will probably be the wife of George. In 1851 George is back at Newlyn as a widower with only children Mary and Henry. I think that supports the above. In 1861 George has a new wife named Camilla. From FreeBMD - George Glasson and Camilla Kelynack were married in the December Qtr of 1858 Penzance R.D. In 1861 George and Camilla are at Newlyn and son Henry, unmarried, is still at home. Also here are Elizabeth and Anne Mack who are recorded as 'daughters-in-law' which suggests that Camilla was previously married. Also here are George Glasson, 5, and William Glasson, 3, who are recorded as sons. William son of George Glasson, ropemaker, married Ann Matthews Treleven in 1882 and these are the parents of Bertha Glasson who is the subject of this thread. Ann died in 1890 and William must have married fairly soon after as he appears in 1891 with a wife named Jane. That there is the 'brief' scenario as I see it. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 6, 2011 10:28:45 GMT -5
Traceylou - I am trying to establish the background on Bertha at the moment so please don't get too confused.  Lannanta - this is getting more confusing and twisted! It looks like Camilla Kelynack was the widow of Abner Kelynack and she can be found in 1851 with her son Henry. Problem is that I cannot find a marriage for Abner and Camilla. But - the OPC site shows the marriage of Abner Kelynack to Patience Hocking Green at Paul in 1831. Patience Hocking Green was the daughter of Benedict and Patience Green of Paul and ....................... she had a sister named CAMILLA who was baptised at Paul in 1808.  Trouble is that I cannot find burials for Abner or Patience in the OPC database.  And I wonder just who was the mother of George and William as their ages suggest they were born before George married Camilla. CT |
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Post by traceylou on Apr 6, 2011 10:58:00 GMT -5
wow, this is wonderful, thanks so much for that!! v impressed  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 11:21:31 GMT -5
Abner Kelynack married Camilla Green in Falmouth 12th August, 1833
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 6, 2011 11:50:53 GMT -5
Excellent - thankyou Lamorna! That begins to link things together very nicely although I still have some work to do to identify the mother of George and William Glasson who seem to have been born 'between marriages'. Traceylou - it is almost certain now that Camilla and her sister Patience had both married Abner Kelynack. And the information just supplied about the marriage of Abner and Camilla almost confirms that Patience died in 1832 of Cholera. I think this is her burial:- Pee Kelynack of Street an Nowan age 28 (cholera) buried 8th October 1832 at Paul She had a daughter Mary who was with Camilla in the 1841 Census. Right - I have to get some food and then I might play around with this a little more although I won't guarantee to have much in the way of updates tonight. At least I know which way I am heading with it now and hopefully Lannanta will be able to fill in some more for us when he wakes up. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 14:41:49 GMT -5
Morning CT I do have George in my database and I have him married three times. I have not concentrated particularly hard on his details but here they are, warts and all. George, bap 27 June 1802 in Paul, was the son of William Glasson and Mary HICHENS. In Paul on the 20th June 1829 he married Ann Vingoe PEARCE. They had four children; Ann Vingoe (1829 - 1835), Mary (married Ambrose Kerrill ROUFFIGNAC), Henry Pearce (married Elizabeth HARVEY, and Ann (1841 - 1842). The 1st wife, Ann Vingoe PEARCE, died in Stoke Damerel in 1842. In March 1852 in the Penzance District George married Mary Mark RICHARDS (daughter of George and Elizabeth). They had four children; Annie (married John RICHARDS), Ellen Sarah (1854 - 1855), George Richards (married Nellie, perhaps Bessie, Graham BELL), William (born in 1858, married Ann Matthews Treleven & Jane Nicholls). This second wife, Mary Mark RICHARDS, was buried at Paul on the 21st April 1858. I did not have the third marriage to Camilla GREEN other than a reference to date around 1858. Camilla was the daughter of Benedict Davey GREEN and Prudence HOCKIN. I have George Glasson as being buried in March 1891 at Paul. Going back to William GLASSON, born in 1858, he married his first wife, Ann Matthews TRELEVEN in 1882 at Paul. They had four children; Bertha 1883, William Richards 1885, (Annie 1888 - 1889) and Mary 1889. Ann Matthews TRELEVEN died in 1890 and William married Jane NICHOLLS in the same year. That is how I see it and I agree that the GREEN sisters both delighted in the company of one Abner KELYNACK. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 6, 2011 14:56:32 GMT -5
Well - we seem to be on the same wavelength with this one. I had not found the marriage to Mary Mark Richards but it does explain those couple of children I was concerned about. But there is yet another little problem in this overall scenariio. As you say, Pathience Hockin Green and Camilla Green were daughters of Benedict Davey Green BUT ...... were they both daughters of Prudence Hockin? Perhaps a better question - were either of them daughters of Prudence Hockin? There are baptisms for four children of Benedict Green at Paul. Mary (1802) and Benjamin (1804) are recorded as children of Benedict and Prudence. But Patience Hockin (1806) and Camilla (1808) are recorded as children of Benedict and PATIENCE!  So far I can find no burial for Prudence and no marriage to Patience. In fact I can find no burial for Prudence OR Patience at them moment let alone another marriage for Benedict! Benedict Green died of decline and was buried at Paul 19th December 1808 age 32. And guess what - Not only have I been so far unable to find a death/burial for either Prudence or Patience but I have not been able to find another marriage for either following the demise of Benedict. More work to be done on that little lot methinks! Abner Kelynack was a fisherman and at the moment must be presumed to have been lost at sea given Camilla was a widow by 1851 and there appears to be no death record for him. Abner was baptised at Paul at the age of 4 19th June 1808 son of John Kelynack and Alice Love. And two of their children were baptised at age 17 and 19 respectively! This'll give Traceylou some readin'! ;D CT |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 15:11:16 GMT -5
There was a marriage of George Glasson to a Mary Mark in Penzance
first quarter 1852.
Where did you find the Richards from, Lannanta?
The surname Mark was mentioned in the 1861 census that CT was talking about
earlier on in this thread.
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Post by traceylou on Apr 6, 2011 15:27:47 GMT -5
Well here we are Traceylou - a new thread just for you. Lannanta - you may recall we discussed the family of George Glasson and Ann Vingoe Pearce some time bck. Bertha Glasson appears to be a direct descendant of this couple although I do still have some work to do on it. And it looks like George and Ann are at Stoke Damerel in 1841 with all members of the family recorded as being born 'In County' - i.e. Devon! George Glasson, 30, rope maker Ann do., 30 Mary do., 8 Henry do., 5 Ann do., 2 mo. George was actually born about 1802 I think but we know there was a daughter Ann Vingoe Glasson born in 1829 and died in 1835 and she was followed by daughter Mary born 1832 and son Henry Pearce Glasson born 1836. Ann Vingoe Glasson died at Stoke Damerel December Qtr 1842 and I was about to suggest that this was George Glasson's wife but .... Daughter Ann Vingoe Glasson was born at Stoke Damerel June Qtr 1841 nd is not found in 1851 so the above death is probably her. There is a death for an Ann Glasson at Stoke Damerel in the September Qtr of 1842 and that will probably be the wife of George. In 1851 George is back at Newlyn as a widower with only children Mary and Henry. I think that supports the above. In 1861 George has a new wife named Camilla. From FreeBMD - George Glasson and Camilla Kelynack were married in the December Qtr of 1858 Penzance R.D. In 1861 George and Camilla are at Newlyn and son Henry, unmarried, is still at home. Also here are Elizabeth and Anne Mack who are recorded as 'daughters-in-law' which suggests that Camilla was previously married. Also here are George Glasson, 5, and William Glasson, 3, who are recorded as sons. William son of George Glasson, ropemaker, married Ann Matthews Treleven in 1882 and these are the parents of Bertha Glasson who is the subject of this thread. Ann died in 1890 and William must have married fairly soon after as he appears in 1891 with a wife named Jane. That there is the 'brief' scenario as I see it. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 15:28:29 GMT -5
Lamorna
I have it recorded that Mary Richards was a widow when she married George, and that her first husband was John MARK, married 28th October 1847. John MARK was buried on 18th May 1850 at Paul.
I only have one daughter actually recorded - Elizabeth MARK (1850) but I have a note saying that Elizabeth had a sister Ann.
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Post by traceylou on Apr 6, 2011 15:30:08 GMT -5
wow! this is so much to take in, thanks so much all, hope I am replying in the right place, just found this site today:)
so excited,
Traceylou
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 6, 2011 15:30:20 GMT -5
You n eglected to tell me that Mary Mark Richards had been previously married! To John MARK! And that begs the question of the second 'daughter-in-law' from the 1861 Census. Elizabeth Mark was baptised in 1850 to John and Mary and is easily explained now. But the way Anne is recorded suggests she also was a daughter of John Mark. Elizabeth Mark, 11, daughter-in-law Anne do., 8, do. But I cannot find a baptism under Mark or Glasson and likewise can find no baptisms for George or William. That makes it just a little confusing. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 15:33:11 GMT -5
The marriage image to George Glasson states Mary Mark.
No mention of Richards at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 15:46:41 GMT -5
Lamorna
The burial for her on FreeBMD names her as Mary Mark Glasson which is the reason I assumed that she had the middle name MARK as well as marrying John MARK. Fully accept that she, or others, may have adopted that name as a sign of her previous marriage.
Do you have the marriage image? I am assuming that the marriage was not in the Paul Parish Church?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 7, 2011 5:27:36 GMT -5
Time to cut a little 'rubbish' out of this one I think. Mary MARK Richards daughter of George and Elizabeth Richards of Newlyn was baptised at Paul 31st March 1822 (ref OPC) The following marriage record is taken from Diane Donahue's Transcript which can be found on West Penwith Resources:- 28 Oct 1847 by Banns John Mark full age Fisherman of Paul (Father: John Mark, Fisherman) Mary Mark Richards full age Servant of Paul (Father: George Richards, Fisherman) Witnesses: William Madddran, John [?] As you can see - Mary (later to become Glasson) was baptised as MARY MARK Richards and she then married John MARK as MARY MARK RICHARDS. Hopefully that will sort out any confusion! My assumption at the moment is that the surname MARK appears somewhere in the background of Mary's parents but I am yet to pursue that. Bottom line is that Mary Mark Richards became Mary Mark Mark and by the time she married George Glasson she was probably tired of stammering! ;D CT |
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