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Post by sue on Apr 25, 2014 3:46:07 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, no, I hadn't revisited finding information for Katie since 2011, so thankyou for that. I guess the baptism wasn't transcribed to OPC back then, & certainly there wasn't the amazing access to online historical newspapers that there is today. I've only dabbled in those newspapers so far, and plan to major on them again come our next winter - full of informative & often colourful snippets!  Katie & her various siblings are part of the reason I am partial to her grandfather publican Jakeh Glasson; it is said you judge the decency of a society/person by how they treat those in need/trouble... and I rather think his daughter Mary Ann, Katie's mother, tested him!  Sue |
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Post by tenpoundpom on Apr 26, 2014 4:18:16 GMT -5
. and I rather think his daughter Mary Ann, Katie's mother, tested him! Sue Indeed! Mary was charged and found guilty of immoral conduct in 1878. Her co-defendants were John Uren and John Berriman, and the scene of the crime was "The Cornish Arms"! Her daughter Cecilia married a John Berriman some years later. I shudder to think that it was the same John Berriman. There are few other tidbits I discovered in this "interesting" branch in my look at the descendants of Elizabeth Trewhella. Cecilia Glasson was baptised about 10 years after birth, and her father's name is listed as Robert Williams. The father of Cecilia's illegitimate child Annie Glasson was probably Hannibal Curnow, a miner, of Carbis Water. There was a bastardy case report in 1882. Jakeh has a couple of mentions in the papers. One is about when he and a son removed an unruly customer from the pub and locked him in an outhouse, an another is when he gets fined for selling alcohol at the Halsetown fair well past the licensed hours. The magistrates seem to have had some sympathy with this public service and fined him the minimal amount they could! A Hollow one name study does record the mysterious husband of Mary, and indicates that he emmigrated to Pennsylvania in 1882 and is married to a Caroline Harris. Obviously several steps required before that is verified. Simon |
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Post by sue on Apr 26, 2014 4:58:28 GMT -5
Hmm, that would be Hannibal Curnow who then swiftly hot-footed it to Butte Montana!  As to Mary Ann Glasson's husband John Hollow apparently you say leaving her to go to Pennsylvania 1882.... I note that son John born 14 February 1879 was pointedly baptized 1880 as son of Mary Hollow.... and Alma similarly in 1881... Just in passing, Mary Ann's nearest sister Emma (my GGGmother of whom I have photos) married at 18 in the Wes-Meth chapel in Penzance, not locally, with no immediate family members as witnesses (one was a John Uren Berryman) despite husband also being a Halsetowny person..... her 1st child was born 7 weeks later. I've seen the blue silk wedding dress: how a 7.5 months pregnant girl got into it beats me! But she did manage all her children within wedlock.....  Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2014 7:10:31 GMT -5
It looks probable now that the mysterious John Hollow was baptised at Zennor 25th February 1849 son of Matthew Hollow and Elizabeth Bottrell Chellew. After reading Simon's latest and armed with his new information I have done some more searching and gathered a little more information for the family in Pennsylvania. A word of caution however! - some of the information varies quite a bit from Census to Census!  For example - in 1900 John and Caroline say they have been married for 37 years yet in 1910 they have been married for just 35 years. In 1900 Caroline says she was the mother of 17 children with 7 still living yet in 1910 her number of children has dropped to 16 but with 7 still living! And then we have John's arrival in the US which in 1900 is stated as having been 1875 while in 1910 he says he arrived in 1872 and in 1920 states he arrived in 1882. All evidence, including the details of his marriage to Mary Glasson and her subsequent children, indicates that John probably arrived somewhere around 1872-1875. I have not found details of the marriage to Caroline Harris but his first known child was born at Dunmore, PA 27th November 1876. I have collected images of the relevant information which I will process properly at a later date and after I have a chance to investigate further. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2014 18:50:31 GMT -5
Although none of the information I found last night gives any real clue that directly links John Hollow with Mary Glasson there is one item of interest that at least confirms the John Hollow in Pennsylvania (with wife Caroline) was from Zennor. And it also confirms that he was the son of Matthew and Elizabeth Hollow. In the 1920 Census there is one member of the Hollow household of particular interest. That person is one Tobias W Uren age 39 who is recorded as nephew to John Hollow. Tobias was born in England and apparently arrived in the US in 1900. Tobias William Uren was born at Lelant in 1879 son of Tobias William Uren and Wilmot Ann Hollow who were married at the Penzance Register Office in 1878. Wilmot Ann was born at Towednack 4th March 1855 and baptised at Zennor 29th April 1855 to Matthew and Elizabeth Hollow. Of further interest to myself is that the elder Tobias William Uren was the son of Tobias Uren and Ann Trewhella and Ann was a sister to my 2xgt-grandfather Benjamin Trewhella! I stated in my earlier note that information in the Census varied and was a little conflicting. But a combination of the various pieces of information shows that John Hollow must have arrived in the US sometime around 1872-1875. We now know that he was the son of Matthew and Elizabeth Hollow of Zennor and he has always been one of the prime candidates for the husband of Mary Glasson. The best confirmation of the link would obviously (hopefully) come from the marriage certificate which should tell us the name of John's father. But I think there is enough circumstantial evidence available now for me to make that link in my database. CT |
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Post by tenpoundpom on Apr 27, 2014 3:31:53 GMT -5
All evidence, including the details of his marriage to Mary Glasson and her subsequent children, indicates that John probably arrived somewhere around 1872-1875. I have not found details of the marriage to Caroline Harris but his first known child was born at Dunmore, PA 27th November 1876. CT Thanks for all the info in the last couple of posts, and your "hot pursuit" of John Hollow. The Hollow family database indicates that Caroline Harris had a first marriage to Richard Hensley in Cornwall. Reading between the lines most of the evidence for the marriage of John and Caroline Harris comes from the will of Caroline, and the inclusion of Hensley as a middle name in the some of the grandchildren. If we have the same John Hollow on both sides of the Atlantic, then either he had a bigamous marriage, or John and Caroline had a common law arrangement. Anyway the Hollow family site seems a great, and well cited, resource freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chollow/ |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 27, 2014 5:58:11 GMT -5
Given the expanse of the 'pond' between England and Pennsylvania I would be inclined to think that a bigamous marriage was involved. I have a number of these in my database which are confirmed by marriage records including a John Trewhella (son of Martin Trewhella and Elizabeth Hosking). John Trewhella married Emily Thomas at the Liverpool Register Office in 1888 and a daughter was born that same year but thereafter he was not to be found in England. In 1901 John Trewhella can be found in the Canadian Census at Fort Simpson, Mackenzie sub-district, Unorganised Territories. It took me ages to find him this time as he is indexed as IRSWHELLA in the National Archives indexes! www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1901/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=943323In 1905 John married Mabel Florence Brown at Brantford, Brant, Ontario and in the marriage record it shows that he was a 'bachelor'. There were two daughters from this marriage and John was widowed in 1918 when Mabel died in Toronto. In 1925 John married for a third time to Mary Ethel Jeraleen Willson at Newmarket, York, Ontario. I have copies of all three marriage records with the last stating specifically the full names of both parents which takes away any possible doubt to his identity. But returning to John Hollow - I had not looked at the Hollow site for some time but I have checked it tonight and there is now no doubt about who he was. The date and place of marriage is recorded as Penzance Registry Office 1st June 1872 which indicates someone has the marriage certificate which gives us the name of John's father. Following up on this has also produced results. Richard Hensley and Caroline Harris were married at Camborne 7th September 1864 (see OPC) and there were three children born up to 1871 by which time Caroline was widowed. I have now found the baptism of one of those children in Scranton Pennsylvania with that baptism record showing she was born in England in 1866. There is also the marriage of another daughter in Pennsylvania which all helps confirm the details in the Hollow site. After all the head-scratching over John Hollow a couple of years back it is now good to finally have some answers! And now to try and sort out some of this new information and prepare it for adding to the database. CT |
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Post by tenpoundpom on Apr 28, 2014 3:54:51 GMT -5
After all the head-scratching over John Hollow a couple of years back it is now good to finally have some answers! CT It's sort of a "Hollow victory!"  I'm turning my attention to the other children of John Glasson and Elizabeth Trewhella apart from Jacky/Jakeh, so I'm sure I will have more questions in other threads as the search goes on! Simon |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 28, 2014 9:20:55 GMT -5
If any of those upcoming questions lead me to solving more problems like that of John Hollow then I will be pleased! So fire away at will! (And if you happen to miss Will then aim at someone else!) CT |
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Post by candychris on Dec 18, 2016 14:14:50 GMT -5
Hi..My great Grandmother's father married Phillipa Glasson. Phillipa was the sister of lucy's mother. I have been researching Lucy (Waters) Glasson too as she is on my Great Grandmothers wedding certificate as a Witness. The wedding was in S.A. I did a lot of searching a while ago to find out who Lucy was and like you, it was a struggle but I am 99% sure she is the illegitimate daughter of Mary Glasson. Mary also had another illigitimate child called cecilia. I too have the 1871, 1881, & 1891 Census with Lucy on them (one as a nurse child of 7 months, and the other 2 as a Servant. I also have her travel emigration document to SA in 1899 BUT what I cant find is whether or not she returned from S.A. or whether she stayed & married or whether she died. I would love both of yur help in this as with the 3 of us having a go then we could hopefully find ut something & where she is and what has happened to her. Here is some info i have:
1. Birth: August 1870 • St Ives Cornwall, England. GLASSON, LUCY WATERS - Order GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in PENZANCE Volume 05C Page 279 .. On GRO mmn left blank so would be Glasson
2. Baptism: 25 May 1871 • St Ives, Cornwall, England. 25-May 1871 Ives, Forename:Lucy Waters Surname GLASSON. Father Forename (blank) Mother Forename Mary Residence Halsetown, St. Ives Father Rank Profession (blank).
3. Residence: 1871 • Fore Street, St Ives, Cornwall, England. Relationship: "Nurse Child". Lucy was living In the same household with the Bosanquet Family.
4. Census: 1881 • Chapel Street, St Ives, Cornwall, uk. Lucy was aged 10 and living with the Widow Jane Bosanquet as a Boarder
5. Residence: 1891 • St Ives, Cornwall, England. Relation to Head of House: Servant 11,Fore Street. Charles Lander (Jr)Head M,40,,Fisherman,Lavinia Lander-Wife,49, James Wallis,Nephew,Single,24,Clerk,&Lucy Glasson, General Servant.
6. Departure: 28 Oct 1899 • Southampton, England. Lucy travelled alone to SA. Her Occupation: Servant. Aged 28
So there we have it. I have ALL records to back up this info so know it to be correct.
If you fancy emailing me then its christinechard@btinternet.com
I look forward to helping you as I hope you can help me.
Chrissy
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 21, 2016 3:58:53 GMT -5
Hi Chrissy = I have no idea what happened to Lucy Waters Glasson. Her sister Cecelia married John Berriman in 1885 somewhere in the Penzance area but I also know nothing of them after that event. I have worked on the Berriman/Berryman families in the past but so far I have not been able to work out just which John Berriman this was either.
In the South Australian Death indexes there are records for two Lucy W Glassons but neither are the right one. In 1940 there was a Lucy Ware Glasson but she was the wife of a Joseph Glasson. In 1910 another Lucy W Glasson was buried at Payneham but her age suggests a birth about 1861 which is a good 10 years earlier than Lucy Waters Glasson. No sign of any possible marriage for Lucy either.
CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Jun 24, 2020 19:45:01 GMT -5
CT
How about this as a blast from the past. Emma Chard married Robert Carnie in Port Elizabeth, South Africa in 1900. The witness was definitely Lucy Glasson.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 24, 2020 21:36:34 GMT -5
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Post by Glazin2018 on Apr 7, 2022 5:24:24 GMT -5
And it gets better...
Marriage in the Saint Paul Parish, at Port Elizabeth, SA on the 3rd December 1902.
Ashton Thomas Curl, aged 29 years, bachelor, Police Sergeant at the Police Barracks, Port Elizabeth.
Lucy Glasson, aged 28 years, spinster of Park Drive, Port Elizabeth
In the presence of C. C. Hunter and S. Huley.
Yarmouth Independent - Saturday 06 November 1926
Ex Police Officer's Death.
A verdict in accordance with the medical evidence was returned at the inquest on Ashton Thomas Curl, aged 55, police officer who had retired from the African Police and come to live in Norfolk. It was stated that he was suffering from diabetic gangrene of the foot and was operated in the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital. The septic poison from his foot had rendered his heart too weak to stand the strain the anesthetic.
And in Norwich in 1954 there is a death for Lucy Curl aged 79 years.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 7, 2022 10:36:06 GMT -5
And I am guessing that these would be the parents of:-
Christ Church, New Catton, Norfolk 22nd February 1930
Ashton Thomas Curl age 26 bachelor motor driver of 12 Denbigh Rd Norwich son of Ashton Thomas Curl Pensioner and Rose Winter age 22 spinster bootworker of 90 Lawson Rd daughter of Walter Thomas Winter bootworker by Banns - Witnesses:- William Winter, Ernest Winter
CT
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