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Post by rowen on Oct 15, 2007 18:12:05 GMT -5
Mary ROWE b. 1788-1792 +/- Seeking information on Mary Rowe from St. Just area. Possibly Mary Sarah Rowe or Sarah Mary Rowe. Possibly a cook in the Osborn household. She had a son, William Osborn Rowe in 1808 in St. Just. Father listed as William Osborn. No real evidence of marriage. Mary's father was possibly Hugh Rowe, but I don't want to go down that path without some help/input.
William Osborn Rowe married Mary Eddy in 1831 and they had five sons, William (1832), Richard (1847), James (1834), Naboth (1837-1841) and Thomas (1842).
I believe that William and Mary immigrated to USA in 1874 (at age 60) on the City of Paris from Liverpool with Richard and wife Mary Ann (Trathen) and child William (died at sea 1874); James, widower (Mary Ann Northey d.1864); James' children Thomas b-1864 and Jane b-1859. James was married in St. Blazey and I have seen some references to St. Levan, but everything else seems to center around St. Just.
They all ended up in Northern Michigan on a peninsula very much like Cornwall. I am a direct descendant of Thomas (b-1864), and have been working on the Rowe family tree for my daughters. I have not been able to get back past Mary with any degree of accuracy. Any help would be appreciated. I would love to hear from anyone from St. Just that might have information on these families. I do have some other bits and pieces to share at a later date about Mary Eddy, but that is a whole other confusing branch..... Thank you for any help you may be able to give me. Rowen
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Post by cornishmaid on Oct 16, 2007 12:18:12 GMT -5
Hi there I think there may be some St Just Parish Register transcriptions in the Cornwall Centre at Redruth, so I will have a look for you to see if I can find Mary's birth. Have to go out now unfortunately, but will pop back tomorrow to see if anyone has anything of any immediate help.
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Post by trencrom on Oct 17, 2007 6:56:48 GMT -5
Familysearch shows William christened 14 JUN 1809 at Saint Levan, Cornwall, England mother's name Sarah row --extracted from St Levan registers
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Post by rowen on Oct 17, 2007 8:53:21 GMT -5
Thanks for answering.
I have one chain with William Osborn Rowe b. 14 Mar 1808 in St. Just, d. 14 Oct 1891 Iron Mountain, MI., father William Osborn, mother Mary Rowe, spouse Mary Eddy.
Another says William Osborne Rowe b. July 1807 in St. Levan, d. 14 Oct 1891 Iron Mountain, father William Osborne b. 1789, mother Sarah Rowe (no more info), spouse Mary Eddy 1805-1880.
Other than date of birth and name of mother they appear to be the same person. I don't know what to do about this.
Now there is yet another William b. 14 Jun 1809 in St. Levan....?? Would they wait two years to christen?
Since he and Mary did not immigrate until they were 60, I was hoping someone would recognize them and help with defining which is who. Thanks
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Post by trencrom on Oct 18, 2007 22:27:47 GMT -5
I do not expect that normally parents would wait two years to christen. Where did the other dates that you quote come from?
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Post by rowen on Oct 19, 2007 17:46:08 GMT -5
Both are from Rootsweb/Ancestry.com and are other people's work. The first is an older woman who I think may have passed on as she would now be in her eighties. Her postings were from several years ago. The second just doesn't respond.
I found other info on William Osborne Rowe on my own that matches up with his immigration with his grandchildren in 1874 and his life in Michigan. I just can't seem to get back behind him...and now the multiple dates/places of birth thing.
I have found him and wife (Mary Eddy Rowe) and grandchildren in St. Blazey in the 1871 census (and also in the 1861). I also found his son James, his wife Mary A. Rowe (Northey) and their first child, Jane E. age 2 in the 1861 census.. They were all living on Bridge Road.
What is giving me the hardest time is birth records and marriage records. Batting absolute zero on all of them, and I really need these to confirm parents and tell me I am going down the right road.
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Post by trencrom on Oct 20, 2007 2:59:58 GMT -5
See my post on the "hello" thread for what I have now found.
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Post by Zenobia on Oct 20, 2007 13:57:08 GMT -5
My guess would be that William was born 14 Mar 1809 and chr. three months later. Just guessing, perhaps the birth date (with the year incorrect) came from his tombstone. Dates for people in their old age or given at their death are often off by a year or two. As an example, my Cornish immigrant ancestor's death certificate said he was born 13 June 1845 (his tombstone also says 1845), but he was actually chr. 19 Jul 1844.
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Post by rowen on Oct 20, 2007 17:29:04 GMT -5
Just what I need, yet another Parish.
West Penwith Resources has St. Levan Baptisms and I find "Row, William Osborne 14 June 1809, son of Sarah base child"
Would this be what I think it is? Any ideas on how to get back past this? Would the original record have any more information on Sarah?
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Post by trencrom on Oct 21, 2007 22:25:29 GMT -5
If this is a transcription from the register then there is probably not anything else recorded, at least as far as the PR itself is concerned. But there may be other parish records apart from the christenings register that have information. Check the LDS locality catalogue to see what, if anything else, has been filmed for this parish. Also check what CRO (Cornwall Record Office) has for the parish -- their catalogue is available online through their website.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 22, 2007 11:43:01 GMT -5
Most Confusin' ain't it! Information from Elizabeth Rowe Tobie was that William Osborne Rowe was born at St Just in Penwith July 1807. We are dealing with a 'suggestive' name here and one that I should think is not commong - William Osborne Rowe. I would, therefore, tend to 'ignore' (but keep in mind) all information about birthdates apart from that found in the Parish Registers. It is certainly possibly that the baptism was delayed for a longer period of time than what one might expect and this was certainly not unusual. I have seen many instances of baptisms for 'twins' or 'triplets' and even 'quadruplets' appearing in IGI and also in the PR's. But, in fact, it was a case of multiple baptisms for a number of children born over several years. In other words, the eldest of the 'quadruplets' may have been 10 and the youngest only recently born yet all were baptised together. I have also, many times, seen evidence of older baptisms so please do not restrict yourself to what 'should be the norm'. BTW - I have also seen evidence of a baptism occurring almost immediately before the marriage of the same person. Now - it is certainly possibly that William Osborne Rowe was, in fact, born at St Just. As his mother was single it is quite likely she went to a neighbouring Parish (and possibly relatives) to have the child. I reckon there is a very good hint here as to who William Osborn may have been. ;D William OSBORN bp. 19th April 1789 at St Levan s/o NABOTH Osborn and Margaret (nee Hoskin). Hope this helps but now have more work to do.
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Post by rowen on Oct 22, 2007 12:53:25 GMT -5
Ian, Thanks for the welcome and your thoughts. Sounds like your plate is full.
Your info on Richard in Michigan is correct (based also on what I have), however I am trying (desperately) to stay on course with direct only at this point. His brother James is my direct. I have ordered death and marriage certs on James and Mary Ann Northey(d. Dec 1864) because I can't determine Mary Ann's parents. trencrom helped to point me right with that.
The problem with James' father William Osborn Rowe (4Xgf) remains. I have found Mary Eddy and will go after their marriage cert next to try to see if his parentage is listed. At this point it is multiple choice as you can see from the previous postings. I had hoped that since they did not leave until they were in their 60's that it would be a bit easier....not. The info I started with has always alluded to childbirth without benefit of marriage.... whether the mother was Sarah Row or Mary Rowe is still in question.
The William Osborn (son of Naboth & Margaret) is actually on my hit list of "possible fathers" because of the subsequent use of the name Naboth. If my Mary (or Sarah) was indeed a cook in the Osborn household as some think, he was about 22 at the "time" and could well be 5Xgf..... There are actually four families in the immediate area (St. Levan)that had possibles for the daddy ranging in age from 16, 20, 22 and 48.
Obviously I am going to have to invest in some certs from both parishes to sort it out.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 23, 2007 11:09:56 GMT -5
The fact that the son was named as 'William Osborne' Rowe is certainly suggestive that the father of the child was 'a' William Osborne and I am fairly confident you will find that the 1809 baptism as son of Sarah will be the right one.
This also seems to match with William's age as given in the later Census Returns.
Another avenue (if I have neglected to mention it in my previous) is to try a search of 'Bastardy Bonds'.
It may be possible that some action was taken to bring the father 'to account'.
The CRO Web Site should be of assistance here but, if not, let us know and I am sure one of us should be able to try and track down something for you.
Ian
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Post by rowen on Oct 23, 2007 18:28:05 GMT -5
I did think about the bonds, but haven't gone there yet. I have also spoken with Margaret Owens OPC for St. Just. She is in Australia btw... She says: "I'm afraid I don't have much on your ROWE family, but what I have is below" William Osborne ROWE of St Buryan Mar. 31 Oct 1831 St Just in Penwith, by banns Mary EDDY In the presence of John EDDY and James OSBORN MY NOTE: While John Eddy could have been either her father or her brother, James Osborn is someone I have never run across. Not in my possible daddy families, nor anywhere else....yet.
Ch. William Osborne bp. 19 Feb 1832 St Just in Penwith James bp. 16 Jun 1834 St Just in Penwith William bp. 25 Jan 1836 St Just in Penwith Mary bp. 25 Jan 1836 St Just in Penwith Naboth bp. 15 Jan 1837 St Just in Penwith Thomas bp. 26 Mar 1842 St Just in Penwith MY NOTE: So William and Mary were twins and apparently did not survive. Naboth died in 1841. Richard wasn't born until 1847 and immigrated with James and parents and his wife Mary Trathen and child William who died en-route. William Osborne (1832) must have come separately with his wife Salina Jane Uren Rowe and 4-5 children (and had two more in Michigan rather quickly because I have him as dead in 1885), and I haven't found him on the ship City of Paris Aug. 1874 with the rest. And Thomas (1842)? Completely lost track of Thomas. He must have stayed behind. ++++++ The only William Osborne ROWE I found was -Sarah ROWE Ch. William Osborne bp. 14 Jun 1809 St Levan MY NOTE: Another vote for 1809 in St. Levan....and SARAH... ++++++ The 1841 Census had at Bosvargus, St Just in Penwith William O ROWE 30 tin miner b. Cornwall Mary " 35 " William " 9 " James " 7 " My Note: I did have this 1841 info and have even looked at Bosvargus Farm which is apparently a B&B of some sort now...
So, from at least 1831 thru 1841 they were in St. Just and from 1861 thru 1871 they were in St. Blazey. They immigrated in 1874. Have not found them yet in 1851 census. Nor do I know yet where Richard was born in 1847. This is progress.... (?).
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Post by rowen on Oct 24, 2007 6:51:19 GMT -5
Ok. William Osborn Rowe and Mary Eddy Rowe are not in 1851 census in St. Austell, St. Blazey, St. Buryan, St. Just, St. Levan or any of the three St. Stephen(s). Tracking where the other mines were now... They just disappear. Is Lands End a parish? Richard may have been born there in 1847/1848. Have also run into another bump from Australia. A Grahame Eddy's line follows my Mary down to her father but he has her father married to Elizabeth Davy, not Jane (or Sarah Jane) Thomas. Can't have been married to them both because the dates (and the children born) don't work. Will have to go take a look at that. The only other Mary mine could be according to Adrian Eddy's website is Mary Eddy b. 1803 to David Eddy and Mary Kellinack. Don't think that is right tho. May have to fight him for her.... Hopefully I will hear back from him. And. Castle Garden has a couple of Thomas Rowes that could mean 3xUncle came to Michigan too. Different time and different ship. City of Paris in April of 1874 or the City of Chester in 1883. So maybe he didn't stay behind after all. Will check in Michigan for him later, but still trying to stay with the directs. I thought this was supposed to be fun......
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