Catherine Curnow

[sue]

I am having a bit of trouble with my Catherine Curnows. I'm looking at say born before 1740 right now....

I can get some to a wedding readily; with the main trouble being in the middle......

I have (numbers only for ease of reference further on...):

1.Catherine who married John Thomas alias Polmere @ Ludgvan 10 Dec 1658, I believe daughter of Thomas Curnow/Joan Martin
2.Catherine daughter of Thomas Curnow/Joan Painter, m John Martin, had many children 1703 -1723. Mentioned in brother Peter's will.
3.Catherine bptzd 17 Oct 1693 Towednack to David Curnow/Jane Roberts. Father died 1738, leaving her, unmarried age 45, £10.
4.Catherine bptzd 21 July 1700 @ Towednack to Peter Curnow & Jane Harris; left £60 in father's will, he being buried 1736, at which time Catherine was 36.
5.Catherine bptzd 24 Nov 1703 Towednack to Robert Curnow/Wilmot Rosewall; said to be named in father's will of 1744 as married to Matthew Harvey
6.Catherine bptzd 19 May 1717 to Richard Curnow & Bridget @ Lelant
7.Catherine bptzd 12 Jun 1720 @ Towednack to Matthew Curnow & Mary/Margery
8.Catherine bptzd 29 Sep 1724 Towednack to Michael Curnow/Mary Ninnes. Father dies 1739
9.Catherine bptzd 25 Feb 1725 Ludgvan to Henry Curnow/Mary
10.Catherine bptzd 11 Nov 1727 to David Curnow/Catherine Trewhella

I have remaining marriages as follows:
A.4 Feb 1736 at Paul to Matthew Williams (Catherine of Towednack)
B.4 Jan 1738 at Towednack to Matthew Stevens
C.3 Jun 1744 at Morvah to James Trembath (both persons of this parish)
D.19 Oct 1751 at Phillack to John Wearn
E.4 May 1754 at Towednack to Peter Care
F.23 Nov 1757 at Ludgvan to Benjamin Chelew

and burials of Catherine Curnows :
23 Aug 1771 @ Paul - I would expect this to be Catherine bptzd 6 Mar 1769 at Paul to Phillip & Elizabeth, although I agree the burial doesn't say child
10 Nov 1772 @ Towednack
18 Nov 1791 @ Madron
27 Nov 1811 age 66 @ Towednack – so born c 1745 therefore none of the above therefore presumed a widow, perhaps of a Thomas Curnow.....
I have omitted 3 that do appear to be child deaths.

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So:

Catherines 1, 2 and 5 above have definite husbands.

Catherine 3, unmarried age 45 in 1738 daughter of David Curnow & Jane Roberts, I would suggest is buried at Towednack in 1772, when she would have been 79.

Catherine 4 I believe would be the bride at Paul in 1736 of Matthew Williams, marriage A. I say this because that was the year her father died and she had a substantial dowry left to her; her sister Anne was already at Paul, married to Phillip Curnow, and Phillip & Anne's son Phillip eventually had a child Catherine, 1769 – 1771 per burial above.; and the marriage between Matthew Williams & Catherine Curnow seems to have produced only one child, Catherine baptized 26 April 1741 privately at Paul, which fits with a late-ish marriage.

That leaves 5 Catherine baptisms, 5 Catherine marriages, & a burial at Madron (which could be of a Catherine wife of a Curnow). Sounds solvable, but I'm not sure …..!

Marriage B at Towednack to Matthew Stevens 4 Jan 1738:
appears to produce children at Zennor -
Andrew 15 March 1740
Martha 11 March 1742
Charity ? ? 1744
Matthew 30 Dec 1746
If this is the right Matthew Stevens, there is a burial at Zennor for him 13 Jan 1772 at Zennor, which equates to the baptism 5 Nov 1713 to Matthew & Martha at Zennor.

In turn this would make Matthew 25 at the 1738 marriage; Catherines 6 & 7 were old enough to marry. I would suggest it was Catherine 7 daughter of Matthew & Mary/Margery, as her family was at Towednack, the place of the marriage.

Marriage C at Morvah 3 Jun 1744 to James Trembath I have no clue; there is a tree out there that ascribes to them children James c 1744 Morvah; Edmund, Constance, Edmund & John all @ Madron between c 1747 & 1755. All I can see is a John Trembath bptzd @ Morvah son of James 1 Jun 1755. IGI, unsourced, has Constance bptzd St Just/Madron 17 Jul 1748, & some similarly unsourced baptisms for Edmunds to a father James.

But blow me down, I see a burial at Morvah of Catherine Trembath widow age 78 on 7 Dec 1798 – that would mean a birth year of c 1720, which would strictly equate to Catherine 7 bptzd Towednack to Matthew & Mary/Margery........

I can't at present see other Trembaths marrying Catherines.... There was more than one James Trembath around, but there was a James Trembath buried at Morvah “of St Just” 26 March 1782 age 60 – thus birth c 1722.

So now I have the marriages A of 1736 & B of 1744 being perhaps either way round to Catherines 6 of 1717 or 7 of 1720.... Hmmm...

Moving to marriage D in 1751 at Phillack to John Wearn. I was thinking Catherine 9 baptized at Ludgvan to Henry Curnow & Mary was likely the bride on this occasion, what with sister Avis marrying a Wearn, Charles, out there in 1743.

The children of marriage D Phillack 1751 seem to be:
William Wearn bptzd 23 Nov 1754 Phillack
George Wearn bptzd 28 Jun 1757 Phillack
and, oh: Michael Curnow Wearn bptzd 9 Nov 1760 Phillack.

Might that not indicate that the Catherine Curnow in this marriage could perhaps be Catherine 8 baptized 1724 at Towednack, the only surviving daughterof Michael Curnow & Mary Ninnes, Michael Curnow having died in 1739? And the one son Michael Curnow, Catherine 8's brother, marrying Ann Oliver at Phillack in 1756? I would have thought so........

That would leave baptisms of Catherine 9 1725 at Ludgvan to Henry & Mary, and of Catherine 10 1727 at Towednack to David & Catherine Trewhella. These 2 to match up with the marriages E 1754 at Towednack and F 1757 at Ludgvan.

Marriage E to Peter Care at Towednack 4 May 1754 produces the following children:
Peter bptzd 4 May 1758 Towednack
Catherine bptzd 30 Dec 1759 Towednack, buried 31 July 1763 Towednack
William bptzd 1 Aug 1762 Towednack
Jacob bptzd 31 Jan 1766 St Ives, of Towednack
Catherine bptzd ? Buried 1 Dec 1769 Towednack

Marriage F to Benjamin Chelew at Ludgvan 23 Nov 1757 produces these children:
William bptzd 6 Jan 1758 Ludgvan
Philadelphia bptzd 28 Oct 1762 Ludgvan
Catherine bptzd 26 Mar 1765 Ludgvan
Elisabeth bptzd 25 Mar 1765 Ludgvan
Benjamin bptzd 21 Nov 1773 Ludgvan

Catherine Chelew was buried at Ludgvan 7 Jun 1805 at the age of 81: that is a fit with Catherine 9 bptzd 1724 to Henry & Mary.

Thus, , I would see Catherine 9 bptzd Ludgvan 1724 of Henry Curnow & Mary married at Ludgvan 1757, acknowledging that she would be seriously pushing it to have a final child at the age of 48, although it could possibly be a late baptism; and thus Catherine 10 bptzd Towednack 1727 of David Curnow & Catherine Trewhella married at Towednack in 1754. She is buried at Towednack 25 Oct 1784.

If perchance one has read on this far ;D: does this make any sense? Is it fatally flawed? Has it all been sorted out before? Any views on the marriages B & C to Matthew Stevens & James Trembath? Are there other Catherines floating around this early that I have missed?

Sue

[sue]

Soon after doing this post way back when, I thought I had finalised the Catherine Curnows.

In the last few days whilst doing some other Curnow work, I find I had made some incorrect deductions – darn burial ages!! for one thing! - so thought I should post my updated conclusions. (Excluding infant deaths.)

1.Catherine who married John Thomas alias Polmere @ Ludgvan 10 Dec 1658, was I believe daughter of Thomas Curnow/Joan Martin.

2.Catherine daughter of Thomas Curnow/Joan Painter, m John Martin, had many children 1703 -1723. Mentioned in brother Peter's will.

3.Catherine bptzd 17 Oct 1693 Towednack to David Curnow/Jane Roberts. Father died 1738, leaving her, unmarried age 45, £10. I would suggest she is buried at Towednack in 1772, when she would have been 79.

4.Catherine bptzd 21 July 1700 @ Towednack to Peter Curnow & Jane Harris; left £60 in father's will, he being buried 1736, at which time Catherine was 36.

I believe this would be the bride at Paul 4 Feb 1736 of Matthew Williams, because that was the year her father died and she had a substantial dowry left to her; her sister Anne was already at Paul, married to Phillip Curnow, and Phillip & Anne's son Phillip eventually had a child Catherine, 1769 – 1771 per burial above.; and the marriage between Matthew Williams & Catherine Curnow seems to have produced only one child, Catherine baptized 26 April 1741 privately at Paul, which fits with a late-ish marriage.

5.Catherine bptzd 24 Nov 1703 Towednack to Robert Curnow/Wilmot Rosewall; named in father's will of 1744 as married to Matthew Stevens. That would be the marriage 4 Jan 1738 at Towednack to Matthew Stevens, which produced children at Zennor.

6.Catherine bptzd 19 May 1717 to Richard Curnow & Bridget @ Lelant. I believe she must be the Lelant burial 15 Jan 1755, because other Catherine Curnows with Lelant connections I have now made positive identifications for elsewhere.

7.Catherine bptzd 12 Jun 1720 @ Towednack to Matthew Curnow & Mary/Margery: this would be the marriage 3 Jun 1744 at Morvah to James Trembath; with a burial at Morvah of Catherine Trembath widow age 78 on 7 Dec 1798.

8.Catherine bptzd 29 Sep 1724 Towednack to Michael Curnow/Mary Ninnes. Father dies 1739. Well, the marriage 19 Oct 1751 at Phillack to John Wearn - which one might conclude to be that of Catherine 1727 daughter of Henry Curnow & Mary, as he has other daughters marrying Wearns in Phillack – I believe to be her, as her 3rd child, 9 Nov 1760 Phillack, is baptized Michael Curnow Wearn - for father & brother.

9.Catherine bptzd 25 Feb 1725 Ludgvan to Henry Curnow/Mary. Well, I had previously thought the National Archives documents mentioning leases at Locke, Trembethow, Lelant referred to Catherine Curnow 1717, but that was silly. It refers to Catherine & Jane Curnow sisters; and their father Henry miller of Lelant had a significant interest in Locke, Trembethow; thus it is this Catherine, in the 1752 document.

Following on from that, I now find that for some reason I had not considered the 1800 will of Catherine Curnow of Lelant.

Having now for the 1st time properly looked at the Phillack etc. Curnows, I can see that this is definitely the will of Catherine baptized 1725 daughter of Henry, the miller of Lelant. Per Dee's summary transcription, the beneficiaries are Jane Watts; John Edwards of Lelant ; & Sarah Kemp, wife of John Junr.

Now, Jane Watts is nee Wearn, baptized 1756 Phillack to Catherine Curnow's sister Jane.

John Edwards is the widow of Avis Kemp, baptized 1760 Phillack to Catherine Curnow's sister Avis.

And one of the witnesses to the will is John Kemp the elder – Catherine Curnow's brother-in-law.

10.Catherine bptzd 11 Nov 1727 to David Curnow/Catherine Trewhella:
I have 2 remaining available marriages:

4 May 1754 at Towednack to Peter Care
23 Nov 1757 at Ludgvan to Benjamin Chelew

Previously I had somehow missed a further Catherine:

11. Catherine Curnow bptzd 30 Jan 1732 Lelant to Zacharias Curnow & Elizabeth Jenkin. As the witness at the 1757 Ludgvan marriage to Benjamin Chelew is a Richard Curnow, whose other witness roles are only those for 2 of his own daughters, I believe as uncle to the bride he stood in in 1757 for his deceased brother Zacharias.

The 2nd daughter to the Chelew marriage was baptized Elizabeth, which would seem to be for the bride's mother.

The apparent burial 7 Jun 1805 Ludgvan of Catherine Chelew should be her; it does however give an age of 81, which is out by 7 years, which is a lot.

However, the use of the name Elizabeth, the witness Richard Curnow & the fact that all his offspring were at Ludgvan now indicates to me that the Catherine who married Benjamin Chelew was not the Catherine baptized 1725 as I had previously thought just because of the burial age - & I now know from the 1800 Catherine Curnow will that that 1725 Catherine never married. So, the 1805 burial age must simply be wrong. (I wonder if sometimes a parish clerk deduced the burial age by reference to baptismal records - & in an instance like this, simply made the connection to the wrong Catherine Curnow Lelant baptism....)

Which means that my previous conclusion that Catherine Curnow baptized 1727 to David Curnow & Catherine Trewhella must have been she who married Peter Care Towednack 4 May 1754 was correct; buried Towednack 25 Oct 1784.

(And her sister I think married Henry Care - but that's another story....)

Phew!

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

(And her sister I think married Henry Care - but that's another story....)

With said Henry being the subject of another thread - "Take Care Francis Trewheela"

I believe this was the Henry Care sentenced to 7 years transportation to America after having been convicted and sentenced with Francis Trewheela for the crime of 'petty theft' with the subject of their nefarious attentions being one Hannibal Curnow!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

9.Catherine bptzd 25 Feb 1725 Ludgvan to Henry Curnow/Mary. Well, I had previously thought the National Archives documents mentioning leases at Locke, Trembethow, Lelant referred to Catherine Curnow 1717, but that was silly. It refers to Catherine & Jane Curnow sisters; and their father Henry miller of Lelant had a significant interest in Locke, Trembethow; thus it is this Catherine, in the 1752 document.

Following on from that, I now find that for some reason I had not considered the 1800 will of Catherine Curnow of Lelant.

Having now for the 1st time properly looked at the Phillack etc. Curnows, I can see that this is definitely the will of Catherine baptized 1725 daughter of Henry, the miller of Lelant. Per Dee's summary transcription, the beneficiaries are Jane Watts; John Edwards of Lelant ; & Sarah Kemp, wife of John Junr.

Now, Jane Watts is nee Wearn, baptized 1756 Phillack to Catherine Curnow's sister Jane.

John Edwards is the widow of Avis Kemp, baptized 1760 Phillack to Catherine Curnow's sister Avis.

And one of the witnesses to the will is John Kemp the elder – Catherine Curnow's brother-in-law.

Houston, we have a problem!

Catherine wife of John Curnow of St Ives buried 11th November 1799 at Lelant

Now then, unless Catherine d/o Henry and Mary was buried elsewhere then that Will of 1799 would appear not to be hers. Unless, of course, she married a John Curnow.

I see no reason for her to have been buried elsewhere.

Whoever she was I reckon the Catherine who made that Will at least had a sense of humour.

According to Dee's Transcript:-

Catherine Curnow of Lelant (well in health)

She was buried seven days after writing that Will! ;D

CT

[sue]

Yep, Take Care Francis Trewheela was what I was half-remembering...

It's only more recently that I've quite clocked the Haves & Have Nots of 18th century Curnows! You'd have thought ol' Hannibal could have spared his poorer neighbours some stuff.... or maybe that's not how you stay rich or in charge!! ;D

Now, Catherine Curnow of Lelant's 1799/1800 will. (Now on my list to maybe sight the "original" at Truro next year...)

I think with the beneficiaries being the nieces/families of the nieces of 1725 Catherine d of Henry, & Henry's surviving descendants that I can see, the will must belong to this lady. Well in Health or not!!

I carefully didn't mention a burial, you spoilsport you! ;D ;D

The only Lelant burials access for that time period that I have is FS, where the 11 November 1799 entry looks a bit dubious to me (indexing project (batch) number:I03853-8, same as for FS entry Lelant burial Catherine Curnow also husband John Curnow date of burial 6 July 1795) ; but I expect you have looked at PRs.

I am clean out of ideas re this burial!!

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

Quite right - I have looked at the Parish Register.

BUT - it is worth checking further for a couple of reasons.
1. The only marriage I have for a John Curnow to a Catherine is that to Catherine Richards at St Ives in 1791. This particular John appears to be the same man who, as a widower, married Julia Luke in 1797 at St Ives. (John Curnow Tanner I think is linked to this one). So then we have a couple of issues:-
a. This 'should' be the Catherine buried at Lelant in 1800 being the only apparent match as far as a marriage is concerned.
b. Is it possible that JCT, Bill Curnow and myself are all in error and have missed something which has led us to identify the wrong John Curnow marrying Julia Luke?

2. From other references I suspect the copy of the Lelant PR that I have for this period might be a copy. It was not uncommon to have duplicate copies of registers and perhaps this is one.

My reason for suspecting I have a copy is a reference to a transcription by Maxwell Adams where he mentions a baptism or burial where the names were in reverse (or something similar). From memory there is a query as to whether perhaps the Vicar may have imbibed just a little!
In the register that I have the same entry is corrected.

But I cannot really see such an error as adding 'wife of John' being made in a copy.

Whichever way you look at the problem there are a number of things that don't fit!

CT

[sue]

It just may have been I who suggested the Lelant vicar/clerk may have been on the Communion wine when he wrote up the baptism 6 April 1787 of William to Margaret & Andrew Curnow..... which should perhaps read Andrew & Hannah Curnow......

This is an interesting conundrum we have here, re Catherine Curnow 1799 burial Lelant.

I wouldn't begin to suggest You Three had mistakenly identified the John Curnow who married Julia Luke.

But with the Julia Luke marriage being to widower John Curnow in St Ives 1797, 1st wife Catherine must have died between 1791 and July 1797........ 1800 is too late............

Leaving to one side for now the unlikely avenue of 1797 John Curnow widower being another John – does the Lelant parish register have the 6 July 1795 burial entry for Catherine Curnow wife of John, that FamilySearch has?

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

I wouldn't begin to suggest You Three had mistakenly identified the John Curnow who married Julia Luke.

Not doubting the work of John or Bill on this one but I was influenced by their research on this family and from the little resources I had at the time I found no reason to dispute the findings.

However if at any time there is any shadow of doubt appears in anything I have then I am quite happy to purse all possibilities to obtain the correct answer.
Aside from the information in my last post there was another reason for querying whether we may all three have arrived at the wrong conclusion.

John Curnow signed with his mark at both the 1791 and 1797 marriages. But on each occasion that 'mark' was distinctly different!

That in itself is enough to have me asking questions however experience tells me that a 'mark' can, and will, change over years just as a signiature can.

does the Lelant parish register have the 6 July 1795 burial entry for Catherine Curnow wife of John, that FamilySearch has?

If you would like to advise me of your preferred kicking foot I shall reverse in its general direction forthwith and await contact! ;D

I checked the OPC site for possible burials and found the 1795 burial at St Ives for Catherine daughter of Paul and Honor. That was the only burial I could find in the correct time period.

However, he who knows full well that Lelant Burials for that time are not on the OPC site completely forgot to check any further and thus did not find the burial in question!

START KICKIN'! ;D

Catherine wife of John Curnow from St Ives buried ??th July 1795

The date is NOT the 6th which appears on the line above but I cannot quite make out exactly what it is.

However this has not done much to solve the problem and it is curious that the entry, except for the date, is exactly the same as that for 1800.

And we are still left pondering about that Will and the fact that Catherine of 1800 was also 'wife of John Curnow' .............. according to the PR that I have.

CT

[sue]

I don't think I can really have any concept of just how very much more challenging it was years ago, to try and piece together families from the limited information then available and the tortuousness of accessing much of it.

People like me coming along in recent years are so lucky to have available such huge swathes of information online to search through, with modern tools, at leisure sitting at home. All due in large part to the wonderful work of other people, including Bill Curnow & John Curnow Tanner who did some of the earlier transcriptions that are out there.

I'm sure they too are only ultimately after finding the correct connections within the families.

I'm slowly working my way through Curnows, and it is very much still a work-in-progress that I am trying to do without leaning on predecessors' work on constructing the families – although I have had great help when I've got stuck, which is much appreciated!

I looked at what Curnow work I've done so far yesterday, and whilst there are still big gaps in what I've done to date, I found no other obvious John Curnow widow candidates to be marrying Julia Luke in 1797 St Ives, other than he who had previously been married to Catherine Richards. Which works fine as a timeline if the 1795 Lelant burial is that of his wife Catherine....

And, neither do I have a 2nd John Curnow~Catherine X marriage to account for burials at Lelant in the 1790s for 2 x “Catherine Curnow wife of John of St Ives”, 1795 & 1799. Those 2 entries do seem curious/coincidental.....

And nor do I have an alternate 1799/1800 burial for Catherine Curnow of the 1799/1800 Lelant will....

Kicking? Violence? Perish the thought! ;D

It is also very interesting that you have found that John Curnow's Mark at marriage is significantly different in 1797 to that made by John Curnow in 1791; although I think we may have touched before on how perhaps being particularly careful on an occasion may have affected how a person “wrote”.

So: one aspect needing dealing with, it seems to me, is that we do have a possibility that there is something amiss in the Lelant burial PR 1795 and 1799 entries.

To examine this possibility I guess means identifying all the known places where copies of this PR are held, quite what the nature of these copies is/are, and for an expedition/expeditions to be made, & prints/photographs obtained if pos.

Gosh, my embryonic list for my hoped for few days in Cornwall next year is beginning to look like Very Serious Research, & quite some preparation needed!

The next aspect is the matter of the 1790s John Curnow St Ives marriages, candidates etc. – a section of the Curnows it seems I haven't yet gotten round to in much detail, so that would be a new game!

I suspect there may also be another angle, or 2, I have forgotten here....

And there was me thinking that I was on this occasion just doing some tidying up of my Catherines as an aside to some thoughts about Trembethow – how naïve can I be!!

No point doing any of this research though unless it's “The Truth” - or our best shot at it! - that we're after!!

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

You are doing a great job Sue so keep at it.

Just holler any time you need a bit of help no matter whether you think I might otherwise be busy.

CT

[sue]

Well, I have an explanation - of sorts.

The lovely archivists at the CRO have done a look-up for me in the microfiche they hold of the Exeter BTs for Lelant covering the 1799 burial I'm interested in.

You know, the one that in the Lelant PR says "Catherine wife of John Curnow of St Ives", for the burial 11 Nov 1799; curiously the same as the entry for 6 July 1795, that 1795 one believed to be the burial of Catherine nee Richards.

Well, regarding the Exter BT and 1799 burial, CRO archivist says:
I checked the return for burials in Lelant in 1799 and the entry for Catherine just reads ‘Catherine Curnow [buried] 11th November 1799’.

Whilst I can only guess at why the Lelant PR refers - apparently erroneously - to a husband John, the Exeter BT entry, without this reference, leaves the way clear for the 1799 burial to be that of spinster Catherine Curnow of Lelant of the will proved 1800; she baptized 1725 Ludgvan to Henry and Mary.

Phew!

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

Sue - I will make a couple of points here.

First off is the fact that we appear to have a copy of the Lelant PR that is really an early Transcript suggests that an error may have been made resulting in two identical entries (but with different dates) for Catherine Curnow. (It would be nice to see a copy of the ridgy-didge original PR!)

Had we not had evidence of the transcribed register I would have been still a little sceptical!

Reason I say that is because of an example I have from the Ludgvan Burial Records as follows:-

From the Parish Register for 1747 (I have a copy)
Elizabeth Quick April 7
Eudy Rosewarn do. 17
Honour dr. Jasper Bond Jn. May 2
Mary Carne do. 23
Thomas Bennatts do. 24
William son of Samuel Sampson July 1
Elizabeth dr: of Francis Trewheela do. 14

From the Bishops Transcript for 1747 (BT/129/127) (I have a copy)
Elizabeth Quick April 7th
Eudy Rosewarden do. 17
Honour Bond May 2nd
Mary Carne do. 23rd
Thomas Bennatt do. 29
William Sampson July 1st
Frances Trewella do. 14

Note that the BTs are more or less just a precis of the PR itself. In the PR you see Honour Bond is 'dr. of Jasper ....', William Sampson is 'son of Samuel ...' etc. whilst in the BTs they are merely 'Honour Bond' and 'William Sampson'.

But more important to notice is the Trewheela/Trewella entry!
In the PR it shows 'Elizabeth dr: of Francis Trewheela' yet in the BT we find 'Frances Trewella'!

So how much faith do you really want to place in the BTs?

CT

PS - do you still wonder that I have so much trouble with the family of Francis Trewheela??

[sue]

Yes, I see wot you mean re the BT being apparently a copy of the "original" PR....

And I agree, it does seem as if the Lelant PR for this period, that is said to be the original, is a copy of The Original.

But nobody seems to know of the whereabouts of another copy, sorry, another "original", other than that held by CRO, and which is the one used by FS in their current online Lelant images.

I have enquired.....

So, end of the road on that for the time being, I think....

As to young Francis....


Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

As to young Francis...

Yes, well ........... I don't know if it is Elizabeth daughter of Francis as per the PR or if it should have been Francis or even Frances as it appears to be. And if it should be Francis then it would mean that there definitely was a second of that name.

And if it were Francis then which one got packed off to America and which one fathered the second group of children? And whichever it was there is still the problem of the date and place of the marriage as well as the name of the bride!

Enough!