I am going to weigh in here with the idea that DNA can be a great clue but sometimes hard to work with. I am struggling with a match to a woman here in the US, her daughter and her nephew. All strong and 4th to 6th cousin level ties out with the centiMorgan strength. I just can't "get there." 3 of her 4 grandparents were Cornish, and her tree doesn't go back too far back. I managed to connect it VERY distantly to my mother's father's side of the family, but I have 6+ shared matches telling me it's on my grandmother's side. When I have 9-10 people shown to be connected by DNA, I am interested!quote here
I wrote this in response to one of Robyn's threads; it has turned out to be the key to the identity of my great-great-grandfather, John Mitchell, who I felt might be impossible to identify.
In the past 3 weeks, I received more than 3 dozen 4-6th cousin matches on Ancestry's DNA site, and while I couldn't identify some, I could see they matched each other. Some were (also) related to John's wife, Bessie Sampson, while others were not. I was able to separate and identify matches that had to be on the Mitchell side, including some to what turned out to be John's sisters, Mary and Ann's descendants. Ann moved to Australia and married and had children, No Sampson connection at all.
Some of my search started with a message from a Polkinghorne cousin in Michigan 4 years ago who was looking for Mary's history. It is so rewarding to pull it all together.
Now I know that John Mitchell was the son of John and Mary (Stephens) Michell of Redruth. Thanks to all my "cousins" who tested.
Good news: I have now identified matches to John's sisters Susan and Elizabeth Jane (Bessie) as well. 2 more to sort out.
Exploring this part of the family brings new questions, and I am stuck once again. My current problem is with Anne Knight baptized Oct 8 1807 in Redruth. Family search has her parents as John and Ann, but the OPC database states John and Mary from Bawden transcripts. On the same day, Mary Knight born 2 years earlier was baptized as the daughter of John and Ann.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 1, 2018 21:39:56 GMT -5
I would say it is highly likely Mary and Ann were sisters. Parents may be John Knight and Ann Tippit married at St Agnes 20th May 1782. There are six children to John and Ann at St Agnes from 1782-1796 and then the OPC shows children at Redruth from 1802 but at the moment I am not convinced they are all the one family. Baptisms at Redruth continue to 1815 which would suggest there may be another marriage hidden somewhere that I am yet to find.
Another marriage for John Knight and Ann Paull took place at Camborne in 1817 with children following in that Parish as well.
Looking at the 'maths' of St Agnes/Redruth again would suggest that if all children belonged to the same family then Ann could not possibly have been any older than age 15 when her first child was born. That being quite a rarity I would suggest there are two separate families with a marriage for the Redruth family still not found. I've checked Camborne, Redruth and Illogan with no result but it is possible John and Ann married outside Cornwall.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 1, 2018 21:55:37 GMT -5
A check of the 1841 Census shows a family at Fore Street Redruth:-
John Knight age 65, shoemaker, born Cornwall Ann Knight age 65, NOT BORN CORNWALL Grace Knight age 20, born Cornwall Jane Knight age 15, born Cornwall Mary Shepherd age 30, born Cornwall
Grace baptized Redruth 1814 and Jane baptized Redruth 1815 match with the OPC baptism results. And daughter Mary baptized 1807 Redruth married George Sheperd at Redruth in 1829.
FamilySearch offers a couple of marriages outside Cornwall with at least one as far away as Kent but there is one in Devon:-
John Knight m. Ann Knott 10th April 1799 at Ashburton, Devon
In the Devon BTs collection there are few details for the above marriage but there is also another:-
John Knight and Anne Pengelly married 20th (or 26th) May 1798 at Germansweek
I think this last is the more likely marriage especially with Pengelly being a Cornish name. Unfortunately the record shows only the bare details and not the complete marriage record that can be sometimes found in BTs. But if the name Pengelly turns up amongst the grandchildren of John and Anne it would be helpful.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 1, 2018 22:02:04 GMT -5
The Germansweek registers are not available for viewing by general public on FamilySearch but they can probably be viewed at a Family History Centre. It would be worth getting a look at the marriage record for John Knight and Anne Pengelly to see if it might indicate whether John and/or Anne were from Cornwall.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2018 5:37:41 GMT -5
I hope the sleuthing leads to a result but don't forget - there is also the 1799 marriage to Ann Knott. I'd check the Pengelly marriage first but it would be a good idea to check on this one also especially if there is nothing concrete in the Pengelly marriage record.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2018 15:27:38 GMT -5
Were Ann and Mary sisters?
I can now answer this question with certainty! Since receiving the marriage information I have been adding the family of John and Ann Knight to my database. (Never know when it might come in handy!) I have a copy of the original Redruth register for Baptisms and Burials 1804-1812 and the baptisms for Mary and Ann read as follows:-
October 8 - Mary daughter of John and Ann Knight - born April 1805 October 8 - Ann daughter of the above John and Ann Knight
'daughter of the above' leaves no doubt that Mary and Ann were definitely sisters.
I have been working on extending John Mitchell's line, and came across something interesting. His younger brother, James, born in 1863 died in Commonwealth, Wisconsin in 1888. Occupation: miner. Commonwealth is in Florence County, Wisconsin, about 13 miles west of Iron Mountain, Michigan and the railway was extended there to transport the iron ore mined there.
James' death record on Family Search provides his parents' names. I searched further and found that he married and had two children. Then I lose the trail again. But James' wife was Jane Trevilla or Ferilla on the birth records of an unnamed son who died a few hours after birth in 1887 and a daughter, Bessie, born in 1888.
I am very curious as to Jane's identity. I have tried searching in surrounding states for a marriage record -- although they could have married in Cornwall and then left for the USA, I suppose.
I am still searching for brothers William 1857 (last found on on 1871 Census) and Thomas 1866 (last found on 1881 Census.) I am considering the USA or Australia since sister Ann went there. I am having difficulty accessing the OPC site lately in case they died in Cornwall but do suspect they left as well. No death or marriage records found.