As a part of this research, I am looking for help to identify a Thomas Blewett/Bluett born about 1802 who was the father of Rosina B 1841 with first wife Ann Dunstan or Dunstone. Rosina married Henry Doble.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 5, 2017 6:38:23 GMT -5
This Thomas Blewett is a bit of a dilemma - according to the 1851 Census he was born at Gwennap yet a check of the OPC database shows not one blewett/bluet baptism at Gwennap between the years 1785 and 1810!!
As Thomas was age 48 in 1851 we calculate his birth to be 1802 or 1803 which makes him about 18 or 19 when married in August of 1821. I very much doubt he was born after 1803 but he could have been a little older then portrayed in that Census. If we look at the years 1795-1803 the list of Thomas Blewett (var.) baptisms is:-
1795 Sithney - Thomas Edwards Blewett son of John and Elizabeth 1796 Gwithian - Thomas son of Thomas and Honour 1797 Paul - Thomas son of John and Mary 1798 Gwinear - Thomas son of Edward and Mary 1799 Gwinear - Thomas son of Thomas and Elizabeth 1799 Crowan - Thomas son of Benjamin and Elizabeth 1800 Roche - Thomas illegitimate son of Thomas Lovell and Sarah Bluett 1800 Phillack - Thomas son of Thomas and Catherine 1801 Paul - Thomas son of William and Mary 1803 St Erth - Thomas son of John and Margery
According to the 1861 Census Thomas was born at Kenwyn but even that doesn't help because while there were some Blewetts at Kenwyn there were none baptized between 1790 and 1807. We therefore have not even a potential family to which Thomas could have belonged.
Or are we looking at another illegitimate birth with Thomas taking on the Blewett surname later on?
Making progress, I think. I believe the Thomas I am trying to identify was the son of John Blewett and Margery Veale. I knew he was the most closely related to me, but that was not what I was trying to ascertain.
John Blewett's grandfather, Thomas, was the brother of my ancestor, Martha Blewett Trewhela. I knew that going into this "conversation."
John's wife Margery was baptized at St Erth as was their first daughter, Mary. Next, I have son John born and baptized at Crowan. Number three is the Thomas in question whose records (minus one) indicate he was born in Kenwyn. He was baptized at St Erth, however. That makes sense with Margery as his mother, plus it's the best match for him age-wise.
Thomas' second marriage was to Catherine Luke, widow of James Trevenen.
John and Thomas were both blacksmiths, and I suspect the family left Crowan between the births of John and Thomas. The census shows the family at Kenwyn in 1841 less Margery who I think died in 1840.
What that helps me with on the Mitchell side is that the Blewett link I found seems to be by marriage only
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 12, 2017 5:00:11 GMT -5
I have updated my database from the link to Martha Blewett down to the two marriages of John Blewett. I don't have the children of John as yet and nor have I done anything with the Luke/Trevenan side of the equation.
What you have displayed here does make some sense as although it appears all the children of John and Margery were baptized at St Erth there are indications not all were born in that Parish. But I am keeping my mind open and will see how things develop before I make further updates.
It is starting to get late here and I have quite a few things to get done for tomorrow but then I may have a couple of days to have a closer look at all of this Blewett information.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 14, 2017 7:07:32 GMT -5
However, recently I've found a baptism record at Accrington, Lanchashire, UK indexed for a John Mitchell born March 20, 1853 to (lo and behold) Benjamin (John's oldest child = Benjamin John) and Mary.
Going back a few years I found this in one of your posts. Out of interest I decided to check the Lancashire OPC site and found the following:-
Baptism: 20 Mar 1853 St James, Accrington, Lancashire, England John Mitchell - Son of Benjamin Mitchell & Mary Born: 22 Feb 1853 Abode: Bank Street Occupation: Spinner Baptised by: Thos. Douglas Register: Baptisms 1842 - 1861, Page 245, Entry 1957 Source: 1278944
The event date was actually for a Baptism with the birth occurring a month earlier in February. Note also that Benjamin Mitchell was a 'spinner'. This appears to be the only child baptized to Benjamin and Mary in the Accrington area.
John Mitchell may be the 8-year-old boarder with the Keveney family at No 12 Court Pembroke Street Liverpool in 1861.
I doubt there is any connection between the above Benjamin Mitchell and the two entries you found in 2011 in the 1861 and 1871 Census. The Benjamin age 36 and single in 1861 was a merchant's clerk with birthplace Gwennap and he is almost certainly the same man in 1871 with wife Mary and children Albert H age 7, Emily W age 5 and William E age 4. Having now checked FreeBMD and the GRO Index for this family I suspect that either Benjamin had a second marriage or that the enumerator perhaps made a mistake.
Birth records for Albert and Emily show the mother's maiden name as Kelly:-
Albert Henry MICHELL June Qtr Vol 8b Page 207 Liverpool R.D. 1863 Mother's maiden name KELLY
Emily Williams MICHELL June Qtr Vol 8b Page 218 Liverpool R.D. 1865 Mother's Maiden name KELLY
William Ernest MICHELL December Qtr Vol 8b Page 206 Liverpool R.D. 1866 Mother's Maiden Name KELLY
In FreeBMD I found the following marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1862 GREEN Esther KELLY Margaret MICHELL Benjamin PARKINSON Arthur
Benjamin appears to be the same man in 1851 at Penryn unmarried age 28 and born Gwennap, merchant's clerk to to James Mead.
I can find no birth record that I could say definitely is that for the John born at Accrington in 1853. The only one in the 8b area is for a John Thomas Mitchell at West Derby in the March Qtr 1853 with mother's maiden name Hunter but there is no marriage for a Benjamin Mitchell/Michell (var.) where the bride was a Hunter.
I have accepted that I might not ever identify my great-great-grandfather. I know nothing of his life pre-Michigan era, and his name is too common to be able to narrow down anything like a ship record. At the time he became a naturalized US citizen, the county records basically reflect the applicant's name and the date and place where they signed along with what government power they renounced. Women weren't naturalized individually until 1920.
But John Mitchell is still my ancestor, and I seem to be finding DNA matches that I cannot connect to other lines. I think I am at 7 now, if I remember correctly. Many are to people in Australia--- often, we can both "chop off" one side of our lineage--- i.e. my Belgians won't match your Scots
I viewed the baptism record(s) where John son of Benjamin's mother's name was changed from Elizabeth to Mary. Elizabeth/Mary may have been a "Noble" with a marriage at Haslingden involved. Very hard to track, but it was what I found to be the best match to the info I had. Benjamin Mitchells are a little more scarce, and I know one from St Cleer stayed in St Cleer.
The US family does believe John was Cornish. I still think first son was Bessie's, not his, and I am interested in where the DNA matches guide me.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 15, 2017 6:02:58 GMT -5
Elizabeth/Mary may have been a "Noble" with a marriage at Haslingden involved.
Okay, that gives us a starting point to work with and I am very confident now that this will be the link to the 1853 birth of John Mitchell. The marriage can be found in the Lancashire OPC records from which I have copied the following:-
Marriage: 25 Dec 1852 Christ Church, Accrington, Lancashire, England Benjamin Mitchell - (X), 22, Spinner, Bachelor, Calvert St Elizabeth Noble - (X), 20, Spinster, Calvert St Groom's Father: Benjamin Mitchell, Carrier Bride's Father: Thomas Noble, Vitriol Maker Witness: Francis Dewhurst, (X); Jane Mitchell, (X) Married by Banns by: R. N. Featherston Register: Marriages 1842 - 1874, Page 31, Entry 61 Source: LDS Film 1470820
In 1841 there are two Benjamin Mitchells of around the right age at Whalley which is also partly in the Haslingden district of Lancashire. In 1851 I can find one Benjamin Mitchell born about 1830 with father Benjamin who was a labourer apparently born at Traddington in Yorkshire about 1787/8. Benjamin senior was a widower at the time of the Census so there is no information to help with his wife. However, the Lancashire OPC does provide a likely baptism for the younger Benjamin:-
Baptism: 7 Mar 1830 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England Benjamin Mitchell - [Child] of Benjamin Mitchell & Mary Abode: Whalley Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: R Milner Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1833 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 165, Entry 1313 Source: LDS Film 1068756
I believe I have also found Elizabeth Noble in 1851 still living at home with her parents at Rishton, Lancashire, where it appears all the family were born.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 15, 2017 6:18:42 GMT -5
I've now found Benjamin Mitchell and his family in 1861:-
1861 Lancashire Old Accrington, Bullyard Road Benjamin Mitchell, head, mar., 30, spinner cotton, Whalley Lancashire Elizabeth Mitchell, wife, mar., 28, Edgeworth Lancashire Thomas Mitchell, son, unm., 6, Accrington Lancashire Alice Mitchell, daur, 1mo, Accrington Lancashire Sarah Mitchell, niece, 10, cotton piecer, Lancashire
As per my post of yesterday I think John Mitchell may have been with the Keveney family at Court Pembroke Street Liverpool in 1861. And if this is the family of your John then perhaps the siblings might produce some more clues.
Thank you, CT, I will keep this in mind. Of possible interest is that Albert Henry Mitchell was a cotton broker. But, then again, I do not know if these are my relatives. Once upon a time when I was looking for William Harvey in England, I got 250,000 "hits" -- I am now have a better understanding of how records are kept and at what level.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 15, 2017 12:07:34 GMT -5
Albert Henry Mitchell being 1863 son of Benjamin and 'Mary'?
I don't think I would put too much store in him being a cotton broker in comparison to our 'spinner' at Accrington. Lancashire was pretty much a 'cotton County' with the Lancashire cotton industry being a dominant force of the British economy in 1825 according to one Google hit. (Just do a Google search on 'Lancashire cotton' and you will see what I mean.)
Besides that is the fact that I believe Albert's father Benjamin to have been unmarried until 1862 as per my post of a couple of days back.
Nevertheless, having information on both families to hand might be useful as more DNA hits come in. They may both be eliminated or connections might be found to one or the other.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 16, 2017 5:42:11 GMT -5
Benjamin Carter Sampson's birth was registered in the June Qtr of 1873 so a February birth is not out of place given the propensity for delayed registration. I should think it a very good chance that this might be Bessie's son.
Bessie's great-grandmother was a Carter.
Could you tell me exactly where the Carter name comes into the family please Zib - i.e. which marriage is involved?
On this line, Bessie's father, Josiah also known as Joseph Sampson was the son of cousins William and Mary Sampson. William 1781 was the son of Richard Sampson and Alice Carter who are buried at Lelant. Alice Carter Sampson was buried June 27 1795 and there is a plaque at the Church that a cousin of mine from Josiah's first marriage photographed on a trip to Cornwall a couple of years ago.
Mary was the daughter of William Sampson and Mary Tremayne.
Besides the paper trail backed up by a copyrighted family history done by a Cornish descendent of Josiah Sampson and wife no.1, Jane Luke, I have gazoodles of DNA matches backing this up. This is on maternal line which includes Calf, Williams, Ford, etc.