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Post by Tonkin on Nov 15, 2010 23:18:31 GMT -5
I forgot to mention the Joseph TONKIN baptised in St Buryan in 1831 to parents James and Nancy (nee HUTCHENS) TONKIN was my 2nd great grandfather. He married Elizabeth WEYMOUTH in South Australia in 1854 and had a big family, but they also lost a few at young ages. The family left the land (farming) and moved to Victor Harbor, South Australia, and that is where Joseph died in 1908, aged 77 years. Roy - from down under.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 16, 2010 1:21:11 GMT -5
Thanks again Roy. If St Buryan is indeed involved here then we may be left with this baptism to pursue:- Joseph son of James and Mary Tonkin of Church Town baptised 29th May 1831 St Buryan Except!!! To be found under Family Search.org Beta (England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975) there is a baptism record for Joseph Tonkin s/o James Tonkin and Nancy at St. Buryan on 29 May 1831. Same date for both records here! The first one is from the OPC site so I will have the information checked to see if it can be determined which entry is correct. Otherwise the family Lamorna found at Cuby would seem to be the more likely with a James (abt. 1823) and a Joseph (abt. 1831) fitting the described scenario. It might be helpful if Joseph could be found in the 1841 and 1851 Census. CT
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Post by Tonkin on Nov 16, 2010 21:53:14 GMT -5
From the Cornwall Online Census Project 1841. Book 9, Folio 59, Page 18.
This confirms my TONKIN family. Their first son, James (bpt. 1829) is not recorded, and their last child, Elizabeth, was born several years after the Census (1847).
Churchtown.
James TONKIN 35 years, Agricultural Labourer. Nancy 40 years. Joseph 11 years. Richard 7 years. William 1 year. Henry 4 years.
Also recorded with the family is Mary HUTCHENS, independant, aged 80 years. Dear old Mary is Nancy's mother. Nancy's father was Nicholas HUTCHENS.
Hope this helps a bit more CT.
Regards,
Roy - from down under.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 17, 2010 4:09:00 GMT -5
Yes thanks Roy - with that information recorded here it is much easier to see the flow of what is being said. We need to try and track Neville's Joseph Tonkin through each Census until he died and gather information that way. Hopefully that might give us enough to positively identify him. But one of the main problems at the moment seems to be the link to St Buryan. CT
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Post by Tonkin on Nov 17, 2010 21:36:46 GMT -5
I'm having the baptism of Joseph TONKIN (1831) checked out by the OPC as an error may have been made with the mother's name being recorded as Mary. Will update again when I hear from them. Regards, Roy - from down under.
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Post by nstonkin on Nov 18, 2010 18:31:25 GMT -5
Thanks Roy and CT!
I am (doing my best at ..) following all this and very much appreciate your comments and information.
best wishes
Neville
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 20, 2010 12:45:44 GMT -5
Roy - I must have beaten you to the punch on this one. I have just had a reply back from the OPC in answer to an Error Report I submitted about this. The mother's name is most definitely NANCY and you should find that the OPC record has now been amended. CT
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Post by Tonkin on Nov 20, 2010 19:29:30 GMT -5
You sure did CT, but only by five minutes according to Bill. Now that this error has been corrected for all to see we know that this is not Neville's Joseph, and he belongs to me again. ;D Thought I had lost him there for a minute. Out with the digging tools again. Roy - from down under.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 22, 2010 6:44:15 GMT -5
Now we have it in Stereo! At least in your case Bill did not have to go searching for the information to check - he already had it immediately to hand! CT
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Post by Tonkin on Nov 23, 2010 3:57:08 GMT -5
You sure do make things easier for me CT. Now that Nancy has been crossed out I'm having a look at this Peggy BARNICOAT and James TONKIN as mentioned by Lamorna, and have picked up a few more children for Peggy and James baptised in Cuby with Tregony. I have a feeling Neville's Joseph was not born in St Buryan, but I may be wrong. One quick question CT. Would the name Peggy also be recorded as Margaret in the Cornish records ? Roy - from down under.
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Post by tonymitch on Nov 23, 2010 6:01:40 GMT -5
Quick answer Roy but not from CT (I hope he doesn't mind me butting in)
'Altered' first names, I believe are called diminutives and. can be very off putting. For example I have a Mary listed in the census as Nanny.
I had a paternal Auntie Maggie first name Margaret. My mother was known by my maternal cousins as Auntie Peggy. Her baptism name was Margaret.
So, yes, Peggy could be Margaret, so could Maggie but watch it, my mother's mother always referred to her a Maggie.
Tony M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2010 6:35:29 GMT -5
Roy and Tony - let me try to cover questions/comments from you both with one post. Firstly - Peggy is generally Margaret so if you have someone of either name that goes missing then try looking under the other. You may also find someone whose birth is registered as Margaret but then is baptised as Peggy. In this case I am thinking that the source is a 'transcript'? Nanny/Nancy goes with Ann as Peggy goes with Margaret. If you look at the more recent posts regarding the mother of Joseph Tonkin you will see that she was recorded as 'Mary' in the transcript but the original record shows that the name was 'Nancy'. BUT - I do not blame the transcriber totally! The writing has a slight slope to the right and a first glance certainly suggests the name is 'Mary'. It is one of those that can be easily mistaken if the eyes have already been subjected to a long session of reading and transcribing these records. If there is a Mary who suddenly (seems to) appear as Nancy/Nanny then it is time to pause and take stock. (This applies in reverse also) 1. If you are working from transcriptions then it is certainly time to ask questions and to try and get a look at original records for yourself. 2. If you are working from one original record with the other being a transcription you should firstly have another look at your original and then seek clarification about the transcript. 3. If you are working from two originals ............... odds are that you might have got yourself mixed up with two different families! Tony also points out 'Maggie' which is also Margaret/Peggy so beware of that one. Hopefully that will suffice for now with the name variations in this particular case. What is of more concern now is the mention of St Buryan. In the one Census record that I found Neville's Joseph Tonkin I believe his birthplace was 'Buryan' but I must say that it was not 'crystal clear'. As I have mentioned previously - we need to find said Joseph in 1841 and 1851 for a start so that we can form a better picture. CT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 15:04:08 GMT -5
In the 1841 census
James Tonkin born 1801 Cornwall Ann Tonkin born 1806 Cornwall Bryan Tonkin born 1771 Cornwall Louisa Nickol born 1830 Cornwall John Pooll born 1786 Cornwall
Living at Trevorgans, St Buryan
Bryan Tonkin married Margaret Rowe 27.4.1793 St Buryan
Louisa Nicholls bap 28.3.1830 St Buryan Possible parents Richard Nicholls and Anne Tonkin married 9.3.1822 St Buryan. A big question mark with these parents !
I don't know where sons James and Joseph could be if this is the correct James above.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 17:09:02 GMT -5
Just a piece from the Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Packet and Plymouth Journal published Friday 1.1.1847. (death) At St Buryan on the 25th December James eldest son of Mr James Tonkin of Boskenal age 27.
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Post by Tonkin on Nov 24, 2010 18:06:03 GMT -5
CT and Tony. Thank you for you reply to the name Margaret. Down my way Margaret is often called Maggie and Margot, but I have never come across Peggy. I have a lot of Margaret's in my family but none are called Peggy. Always learning. Altered first names do confuse people, but I think this topic belongs in another section. Thanks again. Roy - from down under.
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