Robert Glasson and Elizabeth Arthur

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CT
I believe that we discussed this couple a few days ago, by email I think. Although I have not discovered who this Robert is, I have started to put the family together in my family history programme as a family as yet not connected to the rest of the Glasson families.

As it happens I came across a marriage today between a Robert Glasson and Elizabeth Bell Barlow who were married at Truro in 1847. Robert was a tailor and was also the son of William Glasson, a miller. He was also aged 34 years suggesting he was born about 1812/13 and although he was living at Phillack at the time of the marriage there is nothing to suggest that he was born there.

In my list of baptisms, as yet unaccounted for, I have a Robert Glasson baptised at Kenwyn on the 4th of October 1812 to William and Jane with an apparent sister baptised earlier in 1808 at the same place. I am suggesting that this is the Robert who was married in 1847 at Truro.

But then I thought who is William the miller. As I only have indexes to go by I am first suggesting that whoever he was, he did marry Jenefer Solomon at Kenwyn on the 23rd July 1808.

Heading back to my database of baptisms I have two options for William, first, son of Robert and Joan Burt, baptised in 1791 but I already have him buried as an 8 year old, and anyway almost a bit young for the 1808 marriage if in fact he was baptised as a baby. So the second option is William, the son of Robert and Elizabeth Arthur, baptised 27th August 1780 at Kenwyn.

Sort of fits, William son of Robert and Elizabeth with three children Robert, Mary and Elizabeth.

Do you have access to the Kenwyn records that could confirm or deny the above assumptions?

I did note that Robert's wife was named Elizabeth Bell Barlow, daughter of Thomas Barlow and was said to be a single woman - why not a spinster?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I am going to have to look at this properly tomorrow however I do have one piece of information from IGI.

Elizabeth Bell Barlow daughter of Thomas and Agnes was baptised 27th October 1820 Kenwyn Street Calvinistic Baptist, Truro

The OPC database shows:-

Thomas Barlow of Liskeard married Agnes Mark 11th November 1818 at Menheniot

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I have found a little more time before heading off for some sleep.

I did manage to get most Kenwyn records to 1812 (except for the Banns and Marriages 1754 onwards) and I got just a couple of marriages post 1812.
Unfortunately, nothing that is going to provide the answers to your query.

In fact the OPC site has much of the Kenwyn stuff you would require.

Not only that but there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat!!

The 1851 Census is probably a good place to start and at Phillack in that year we find:-

Copperhouse West
Robert Glasson, head, mar, 38, tailor, Kenwyn
Elizth B do., wife, mar, 30, Liskeard
Agnes do., daur, 2, Phillack
Jane do., daur, 1, Phillack
JANE MUGFORD, MOTHER, widow, 71, retd. baker, Kenwyn
Wm G. ROBERTS, nephew, unm, 20, tailor, St Mary's Truro

This tells us two things:-

1. Robert's mother was Jane (or Jenifer)
2. Robert's father was deceased and his mother remarried

What I do not have is access to any record for this second marriage to Mr Mugford.

However, there is an interesting burial at Kenwyn that would fit with your theory about William's parents.

William Glasson of Newmills age 33 buried 1st July 1814

Newmills suggests a place where a 'miller' might be found and the age of 33 in mid-1814 relates to a birth about 1780/1.

Looking back at the 1851 Census.

Wm G Roberts is William Glasson Roberts baptised 8th May 1831 Truro St Mary son of James (shoemaker) and Mary Roberts

James Roberts married Mary Glasson 30th December 1830 at Truro but this is not the sister baptised at Kenwyn in 1808.

According to the 1851 Census Mary was born at Kenwyn about 1810 or 1811.

And that would make her:-

Mary d/o William Glasant (no mother recorded) bp. 28th October 1810 at Kenwyn

Circumstantially we are gathering enough to suggest Jenifer Solomon is the mother of Robert and I think the burial (above) is a very good chance to be that of Robert's father.

All we need is to find the marriage of Jane/Jenifer to Mr Mugford!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Right - I now know a little more about the Mugford clan!

As a result of finding Jane Mugford in the 1841 Census at Truro I checked IGI and found:-

William Glasson MUGFORD bp. 12th December 1822 Kenwyn son of William and Jane

And from the OPC site:-

William Glasson MUGFORD son of William (Victualler) and Jane of Church Town bp. 12th December 1822 at Kenwyn

And now I find this most disconcerting entry in the OPC database:-

William MUGFOR married Jane POAT 12th December 1821 at Kenwyn

AHA!!! - no longer disconcerting! ;D

William POAT married Jane GLASSANT 15th February 1818 at Kenwyn

So Jane was married THRICE!

On that note I think I will leave it to you my friend.

CT

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Morning CT

I struggled with how Jane became Mrs Mugford last night so thanks very much for that. Getting the Roberts surname in the correct place is also very useful. When you think about it the 1851 census entry has been most enlightning.

I will finish off that data tonight and move on to the next family. I am getting closer to having the main families from the census in their respective places, albeit families such as this are not linked to the two main families - Madron and Camborne.

Many thanks

Lannanta

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Lannanta - there was something else in all this that I missed!

Robert Glasson (husband of Elizabeth Arthur) was also recorded as a 'miller' so the fit with William is even better.

BTW - I don't see to have details of the marriage of Robert to Elizabeth Bell Barlow so would appreciate them when you have the chance please.

CT

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CT

BTW - I don't see to have details of the marriage of Robert to Elizabeth Bell Barlow so would appreciate them when you have the chance please.

Back at work tomorrow I hope (flu) and will send you a scan.

Lannanta

[Glazin2018]

CT

Robert Glasson (husband of Elizabeth Arthur) was also recorded as a 'miller' so the fit with William is even better.

In dealing with the death of a Robert Glasson at Kenwyn around 1791 it is perhaps appropriate that we continue this thread.

Initially it would be fair to say that in order to discover who this Robert is then we need three generations of Robert Glasson with the elder of the three being born around 1720 to 1740.  Would you agree?  If you do then I will publish the five or six situations where, according to my database, that has occurred.

Just as an aside to the previous discussion on this thread and looking at the signatures in the marriage records it looks likely that the William Glasson who married Jane Solomon in 1808 at Kenwyn had previously married Margery Richards in Kenwyn in 1805.

Lannanta

[Glazin2018]

CT

Actually on reflection there are only two examples where three or more generation of Robert Glassons fit the criteria of the 1791 Will.

First there is:
1. Robert GLASSON baptised at Newlyn East in 1802, married Mary LOVIS, and died in Plymouth or thereabouts in 1869, his parents were:
2. Robert GLASSON & Jame CLEMOE, Robert baptised in Crowan in 1772 and died in St Mewan in 1834, his parents were:
3. Robert GLASSON & Eleanor THOMAS, Robert baptised in Crowan in 1749 and died in Cubert in 1834, his parents were:
4. Robert GLASSON & Susanna MITCHELL, Robert baptised in Camborne in 1720 and died in Crowan in 1788.
               Robert No 4 would fit the 1791 Will in terms of age, however my records have him dying in 1788 as shown.

The only other family that I can get to even begin to look like fitting is:
1. Robert GLASSON baptised at Kenwyn in 1819, married Grace JORY, and died in Exeter or thereabouts in 1904, his parents were:
2. Robert GLASSON & Mary Prout REYNOLDS, Robert baptised in Constantine in 1773 and died in Kenwyn in 1834, his parents were:
3. Robert GLASSON & Elizabeth ARTHUR, married in 1768 in Crowan, he a miller of Crowan, with no birth details or burial details for this Robert GLASSON.
              This Robert No 3 is listed with me as having had children Robert, Susanna, Ann, William, John and Philip.

I have three Robert GLASSON burials unaccounted for:
1. Robert GLASSON buried 1786 at Crowan
2. Robert GLASSON buried 1791 at Kenwyn
3. Robert GLASSON buried 1833 at Kenwyn, aged 85 years of Churchtown.

If I assume my first family is correct and that the husband of Susanna Mtchell died in 1788 then the second family is all I have left.

If I tried to apply the three unknown Robert GLASSON burials then I would likely say that burial No 3 is the husband of Elizabeth ARTHUR suggesting he was born around 1748.  I would then suggest that burial No 2 is the father of Robert GLASSON (husband of Elizabeth ARTHUR) and would have been born on or before 1728.

The only Robert Glasson that I have to fit the Robert who is burial No 2 is another Robert, son of Robert GLASSON and Margery WERING, baptised in 1724 in Camborne.

And that almost fits perfectly given the Will of 1791 mentions four children, Robert, Jenny, Mary and Margery

Lannanta