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Post by sue on Sept 6, 2010 5:35:21 GMT -5
Tony, there seem to be TWO Towednack baptisms for Phillis Berrimans of a suitable age - which might explain the 2 out of wedlock children, plus 8 in wedlock children with Thomas Curnow, and there being an overlap i.e. 2 different mothers.
One Phillis Berriman was bptzd 16 Jan 1779 to Mark B & Jane.
Other bptzms I have found so far:
Caroline 1773, Henry 1779, Elizabeth 1781, Jane 1788.
The other Phillis was bptzd 6 Jun 1784 to Nicholas B & Mary.
Other children I have found so far:
Listra 1768, Mary 1770, Alexander 1775, Nicholas 1778, John 1780, Susannah 1785, Samuel 1786, Susannah 1789.
I don't know if you already know which are your Berrimans. If you don't, do you see an unusual name in there? If you find the Nicholas & Mary marriage on OPC, and also search for Listras (separately!), you get an indication of which Phillis yours could be.
Sue
(Which still leaves me wanting Thomas Curnow's mother to be a Jane!! But that is a job for the cold weather.....)
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Post by sue on Sept 6, 2010 8:35:46 GMT -5
Also, on Dee's St Erth page, will of 1786 mentions Mary Berryman under maiden name...
Sue
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Post by tonymitch on Sept 6, 2010 18:15:53 GMT -5
Sue you're a wonder!  Looks like we might have cracked it........My Thomas Curnow and Phillis Berri(y)man had a daughter born 25 Nov 1821 with the unusual name of Lystra. So it looks like Phillis born 1874 is the one I am after. Thanks a bundle.  Tony M |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 6, 2010 18:31:04 GMT -5
Sorry Tony - Phillis Berriman got sort of lost there.  If I had realised you didn't know about her I could have posted more earlier. Her parents were Nicholas Berryman and Mary Tremelling who married 9th June 1767 at St Erth. Mary Tremelling was baptised at Crowan 13th July 1746 d/o Alexander and Margaret (nee Blight) and it appears to be hear that the name Lystra originated in the Berriman and Curnow families. Lystra Tremellin d/o Alexander and Margaret was baptised 19th December 1756 at St Erth and buried at the age of 72 18th February 1828 at St Erth. Nicholas Berryman was baptised 1st January 1743 at Towednack son of Nicholas Berryman and Jane (nee Trewhella). CT |
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Post by tonymitch on Sept 13, 2010 18:15:18 GMT -5
Thanks CT. Phillis Berri(y)man is one of those people on the fringe of my interest but very useful information to have.
Trewhella....does this mean that we are related then? I already have some form of attachment to Londoner...looks like half the board will end up related to the other half.
Tony M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 13, 2010 21:08:09 GMT -5
Well I have to go back to a marriage in 1606 I think to get my common link with Jane!  But it is a link and if you are connected via the Berryman family then I guess the answer would be yes! |
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Post by Mal on Sept 14, 2010 12:46:14 GMT -5
Thanks CT. Phillis Berri(y)man is one of those people on the fringe of my interest but very useful information to have. Trewhella....does this mean that we are related then? I already have some form of attachment to Londoner...looks like half the board will end up related to the other half. Tony M We all cousins me 'ansum! |
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Post by robyndundas on Dec 3, 2020 2:55:18 GMT -5
Good evening
Does anyone know any details about Thomas Curnow, baptised 1826 son of Thomas and Phillis Berriman? I can’t find any information on him other than his baptism. Was Thomas an only son?
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Post by sue on Dec 3, 2020 6:06:00 GMT -5
Yes. I presume you have checked www.findagrave.com/ ? That is one of the key starting points, I find, then it's a case of finding a home for all the persons of the name you are looking for, until there can be only one answer. (Accepting that not all deaths are on there, by any means - but at least find a home for all the Thomas Curnows that are on there, in the right time-frame!) You have to consider all the likely jobs people would have been undertaking in the 1840s & 50s. Armed Services is always one of them..... You will want to look this up for yourself; answers on a plate are no fun! AND, evidence is the only way, not sight of other people's trees!! Try this www.fibis.org/ for India, there was an awful lot of fighting going on.... Also, service records held by National Archives at Kew. Sue |
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Post by robyndundas on Apr 12, 2021 3:17:10 GMT -5
Good evening
I found Thomas Curnow, son of Phillis of Towednack, in the 4th Troop of the Bombay Horse Artillery. Thanks for the hint, Sue!
He died on 28 July 1855 at what is now known as Karachi. He left his mother all his worldly debts, pay and goods, including batta and prize money.
‘Prize was the proceeds of items looted during military campaigns, subsequently divided amongst soldiers who were engaged in that action. The size of the share recieved was hierarchical by rank.
Batta was an allowance paid to soldiers in India who were stationed away from their Presidency, supposedly to cover the extra costs of living.’
I can’t find a death certificate with any reason of death but as the Will was written on the same day he died, I suggest he died of injuries.
Robyn
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Post by sue on Apr 18, 2021 13:16:13 GMT -5
Yep, that's him! I was quite chuffed when i found those Indian records years ago!  |
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Post by zibetha on Apr 19, 2021 17:24:30 GMT -5
"AND, evidence is the only way, not sight of other people's trees!!" Very true, Sue. Just an add-in that DNA is also evidence that is helping me bridge some record gaps. Trees done by matches do sometimes lead me to think/explore in another direction. They aren't always correct but can still be helpful particularly re: recent generations. As we know, records aren't always perfect since they are created by human beings It all helps -- Zib |
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