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Post by cornishglassons on Jan 30, 2011 15:09:21 GMT -5
[quote author=ianjtrewhella board=glasson thread=1714 post=16854 time=1296214685 I have an idea that you made mention of this in one of the other threads with Carole - possibly the one dealing with St Aubyn Arms. There are definately too many Robert Glassons!! Nothing to really add, CT, but just wanted to 'confirm' that everything you have in your database agrees with mine. Margaret therefore was unlucky enough to be widowed three times. Just a little bit of added info... Before his death Robert, although living in Truro was listed in the 1823 Voter's List as being illegible due to being the leaseholder of 'my' St Aubyn's Arms. It is somewhat complicated to follow which member of the family ran the inn but when in 1894 it was being sold, all enquiries were to Arthur Pool, who was the son of Eliza Georgina Rolls Glasson and George Pool. George Pool was also an innkeeper, of the Star Hotel, Market Jew Street, Penzance and later became a wine merchant. I think he was also for a time the Mayor of Penzance. George's father/Arthur's grandfather Thomas Pool was also an innkeeper - iniitally I believe of The Lamb and Flag, St Erth. Arthur senior founded a Wine and Spirits Business, Thomas Pool and Sons, running 30 pubs. Sorry, going a bit off topic, the Glassons/Pools and their inns are fascinating to me... Back to Margaret. Although she was also listed as an innkeeper in the 1841 Census, by 1851 Margaret was a china and glass dealer and had a shop in Boscowan Street, Truro. It was her son Robert who took over the business after her death. It's all been interesting reading, just which I had something more constructive to say rather than 'I agree with your findings' - but I do! Best wishes, Carole
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Post by cornishglassons on Jan 30, 2011 15:23:42 GMT -5
My initiation into family history was via a few old family photographs. They included Uncle Billy Glasson on the seafront at St Ives age 88 in the 1930s. I now know he was involved in both The Union Inn & The Cornish Arms at St Ives, and that The Cornish Arms was run 1820s to 1890s by brothers John, Josiah & Jakeh Glasson (Billy's father.) Then there was Josiah's wife at The Star Inn St Ives for some time... Alcohol in the blood? In my direct Glasson line, I think it was the blood! ;D Maybe CornishGlassons will pick up on this as it links into the “ Pool/Glasson family” and “ Re: William Glasson - St Aubyns Arms “ threads? Where quite an extensive amount of info is posted.... Sue Hi Sue, Oh yes, definately alcohol running through the Glasson's veins! I was interested in your post because I did not know of the Union Inn or that The Cornish Arms was a Glasson inn. I would be so grateful for any info you would be willing to share - feel free to contact me privately - and of course I'd be only too happy to return the favour. It's such a fascinating subject and I have so much to learn. Best wishes, Carole
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Post by cornishglassons on Jan 30, 2011 15:38:30 GMT -5
Hi Sue Yes silly me. I should have looked a bit harder at that thread as Carole does say that Robert Glasson married a certain Margaret Gibbons Rolls, albeit in 1833 which is a bit out of time. I see that Carole is about at the moment so hopefully she may be able to expand on that. Lannanta Hi Lannanta, Duh - have no idea why I said Robert and Margaret married in 1833 when I have the date as 5 April 1820. Sorry!!! I was probably enjoying myself rambling on about Glassons and pubs and china shops, without bothering about the facts! Thank goodness many of you seem far more organised than me!! Best wishes, Carole
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 16:52:32 GMT -5
Hi Carole
No problem at all. I spent most of yesterday adding that branch of the family to my database as I have had them on hold for quite a while now.
It led me to Herbert Glasson Pool, son of Eliza Georgiana Rolls nee Glasson and like CT did a while ago I found them with Thomas and Jane Glasson. I think that there is a link there somewhere and it is got to do with a family that has been very difficult to track down.
Lannanta
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Post by cornishglassons on Jan 31, 2011 16:27:55 GMT -5
Hi Everyone,
When I was reading this thread yesterday I knew I had found some info about Robert Glasson Spur in the past but couldn't remember what. I had a poke around tonight and discovered I had previously come across mention in Cornwall Record Office. Apologies if this has been discussed before:
Quarter Sessions held in Truro, dated 23 April 1816. "QS/1/8/309 Filiation orders Child; M.; When born; 25 Jan.; Parish; Mother; Alleged father.; Gwinear; Mary Spur, widow; Robert Glasson of Crowan, farmer"
So it is my understanding that Robert would have had to make child support payments for his son's upkeep? Does anybody know how the law would have operated back then?
Best wishes Carole
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Post by cornishglassons on Jan 31, 2011 19:11:47 GMT -5
Between 1881 and 1891 there is only one death record that might be a match for Ann. 1887 - June Qtr Vol 10b Page 319 Carlisle R.D. - Age 67 Carlisle is right up in Cumberland and I would expect the only reason Ann might be up there would be if son Robert was there prior to 1891 when he was in Lancashire. Hi CT and thanks for all your hard work on this. Really interesting and useful! The Carlisle link also particularly interests me! A few years ago we were holidaying in the area and came across the village of Glasson, a few miles east of Carlisle, on the Solway Firth. Also some miles south was a village called Glassonby. In Maryport, about 25 miles from Carlisle, there is a Glasson Industrial Estate, and in the town of Penrith, about 20 miles from Carlisle, there is Glassons Brewery! There are also mentions of Glasson in nearby Whitehaven. Glassons everywhere - we spent the holiday photographing road signs!! With the brewery, I felt there should be a link between the pub/inn owning Glassons from Cornwall and the name of Glasson in Cumbria, but have drawn a complete blank. But I have since then been trying to find why so many mentions of Glassons in the area. I looked into Glasson Dock, Lancashire, some 75 miles further south, but could not find any particular connection with the Cumbria 'Glassons' either. Infact your post, and the mention of Ann dying in Carlisle is the very first connection with a 'real life' ;D Glasson from Cornwall I have come across. I wondered if you had any thoughts. Best wishes, Carole
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 1, 2011 7:27:30 GMT -5
That would be the fault of my 4xgt-grandmother Ann Glasson then! ;D
CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 1, 2011 9:21:19 GMT -5
Cornishglassons: (You will probably have done this). Google "Glassons brewery". Click on The Brewing Industry: a guide to historical records ....and there is a section on Penrith etc. R J Glasson and "Glasson Thos,,Neverend, Penwith" etc. Taken over by Duttons.
David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 2, 2011 9:10:33 GMT -5
Carole - this puts a slightly different pitch on things! This document indicates that Mary SPUR was a Widow which means some re-thinking will need to be done regarding her identity. In regards to your question - I believe actions would have been taken as a result of this to ensure that Mary and the child were not a 'burden' on the Parish. It appears that Robert Glasson has been positively identified as the father in which case I should think he would have been held liable for any costs. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 2, 2011 9:24:41 GMT -5
It all makes perfect sense now! ;D Mary SPUR nee IVEY was certainly the mother of Robert Glasson SPUR The mention of Mary Spur being a widow gives us all the information we need to make the link. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 2, 2011 10:16:40 GMT -5
I suspect Mary Spur (nee Ivey) may have remarried.
There is no mention of her being a widow but this is the only Spur marriage at Crowan until at least 1837.
John DAVEY otp married Mary SPUR otp by Banns 23rd December 1820 at Crowan Witnesses:- Christopher Vivian, Thomas IVEY (mark)
There are also only three children to this marriage that I can find at Crowan being baptised in 1822, 1824 and 1826.
CT
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Post by kwoody147 on Jun 22, 2011 21:35:17 GMT -5
Hi Researchers, while transcribing Non-Conformist Wesleyan Chapel baptisms, have come across the following which I hope may help you: Film 1796110; Image 4170842_01735, Page 13; Entries 34 & 35.
22 July 1847 William Henry IVEY or GLASSON; Robert & Ann, Parish of Crowan, aged 4 years. 22 Jul 1847 Jane IVEY or GLASSON, dau of Rober & Ann, Parish of Crowan, aged 5 weeks. I was intrigued that the entries referred to two surnames! Happy hunting, cheers Kay, volunteer transcriber Cornwall OPC. My email address is k.woody@bigpond.net.au
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 23, 2011 5:03:54 GMT -5
Hi Kay - I have seen your name amongst the OPC transcriptions and there are a few of us here who have also been involved in that work. Many thanks for the details you have supplied which I am sure will be of interest to Carole and Lannanta in particular. CT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 16:46:39 GMT -5
Hello Kay
Many thanks for that. I can safely assume now that the use of the name IVEY in the census by the SPURR/GLASSON family was not an error, rather at some stages they were convinced that IVEY was their correct name.
Many thanks
Lannanta
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Post by cornishglassons on Jun 25, 2011 2:43:22 GMT -5
Hi Researchers, while transcribing Non-Conformist Wesleyan Chapel baptisms, have come across the following which I hope may help you: Film 1796110; Image 4170842_01735, Page 13; Entries 34 & 35. 22 July 1847 William Henry IVEY or GLASSON; Robert & Ann, Parish of Crowan, aged 4 years. 22 Jul 1847 Jane IVEY or GLASSON, dau of Rober & Ann, Parish of Crowan, aged 5 weeks. I was intrigued that the entries referred to two surnames! Happy hunting, cheers Kay, volunteer transcriber Cornwall OPC. My email address is k.woody@bigpond.net.au Hello and thanks for that info - there has yet to be a Cornish Glasson that I'm not interested in!! One question if I may. Have you access to any burial records that would cover the Glassons from Crowan? I ask because I have found the graves of Glassons in other nearby villages (Breage Churchyard being particularly useful) but have yet to find anything for the Crowan Glassons. I'm visiting the area again in July and wondered if you could point me in the right direction. Many thanks, Carole
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