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Post by Sarch on Jul 26, 2010 0:12:47 GMT -5
Hi I have the marriage for John Quick blacksmith, son of Israel Quick, Shipwright, to Patience Grenfell Floyd 1849 St Ives, I can find a John and Patience Quick in 1851 & 1861 Census BUT Is this John Quick in the 1851 & 1861 census son of Israel and Jane Allen  The ages fit but in 1841 he is born in Ireland  1851 Census Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: - Address: Warren QUICK John Head M M 23 Blacksmith Lincolnshire - Swannage QUICK Patience Wife M F 27 Cornwall - Gwinear I can find children born to them in St St Ives Primitive Methodist Circuit22 Feb 1850 Mary daughter of John & Patience Quick (née Grenfell), Blacksmith of St. Ives b.12 Feb 1850, St. Ives can't find a possible death 22 Feb 1850 Jane daughter of John & Patience Quick (née Grenfell), Blacksmith of St. Ives b.12 Feb 1850, St. Ives possibly died 18 May 1850? and children born in St Erth Jane bpt 1852 and John bpt 1855 (on OPC & Family Search) and another son John in the census born abt 1858 born in St Erth or Hayle? 1861 Census St. Erth QUICK John Head M M 31 Blacksmith Dorset - Swanage QUICK Patience G Wife M F 35 Cornwall - Gwinear QUICK John Son - M 3 Cornwall - St Erth John is missing from the family in the 1871 CensusCivil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: - Address: Westcots Quay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUICK Patience Head M F 47 - Cornwall - Gwinear QUICK John Son - M 13 Scholar Cornwall - Hayle 1n 1880 USA Census I find John Quick, R.R. Blacksmith and Patience Quick in Pennsylvania aged 54 and 53 Sarch  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 26, 2010 10:40:52 GMT -5
Sarch - yes that John was the son of Israel and Jane. And I have only just now found his baptism!! ;D John son of Israel (boatman) and Jane QUICK baptised 22nd June 1828 at Swanage, Dorset. Found it in the Dorset OPC site.  If you look at the 1841 Census again you will notice that brother William was also not born in Cornwall. But his baptism cannot be found at Swanage.  In fact I don't think I have been able to find William after the 1841 Census. And that is certainly John and Patience living in Pennsylvania in 1880. By 1900 Patience had died and John with son John were boarding with the family of William and Ida Gorgos. Canal Street Easton City East Ward 11 Northampton, PA John QUICK Sr, widower age 72, born May 1828 England John QUICK Jr, age 42, born March 1858 England In 1910 John and his son are still boarding at the same address only this time the Landlord's name is indexed as FORGAS. The younger John was employed as a carpenter in the Railroad Shop. By 1920 the elder John is dead but his son is still boarding with the GORGAS family at Canal Street. I will have a look and see if I can find when they emigrated to the US. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 26, 2010 11:23:49 GMT -5
Patience Quick age 52 along with son John Quick, carpenter, age 21 arrived in New York 1857 July 1879 aboard the S.S. Cornwall. And I reckon I have just found John senior in the 1870 Census. Lambertville, Hunterdon Co., New Jersey Charles MASSEY, 38, married, loco builder, born England Mary do., 37, married, born England William do., 16, born England John E do., 13, born New Jersey George do., 10? born New Jersey John QUICK, 42, married, blacksmith, born England It is most interesting that FreeBMD shows a marriage for the above Charles Massey:- 1854 March Qtr Vol 5c Page 445 Redruth R.D. Charles MASSEY Mary FLOYDI would be thinking there might be a family connection here somewhere!  CT |
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Post by Sarch on Jul 26, 2010 12:02:36 GMT -5
Hi CT That was going to be my next question ;D ;D ;D Do you know anything on the children of Israel Q and Jane Allen? William after 1841 and Paul and Wilmot after the 1851 census? For one of the twins of John and Patience Quick I think I found a death of Jane b 12 Feb 1850 died 18 May 1850 St Ives aged 3 months and 3 weeks? But have not found one for the other twin Mary? Thanks for the 1870 census for John and the emigration details for Patience and son John. Looks like their son John never married? Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 26, 2010 19:45:17 GMT -5
Sarch - that burial for young Jane will be correct. I have so far not found anything of William, Wilmot or Paul which is a bit of a pain really!  And I have also not been able to find a death/burial record for Charles Allen Quick or his wife. They came out to Australia and I have a bit of information on the children born here but Charles and seem to disappear from the records after the birth of Israel in 1860. Of the four children I have death records for all except James. CT |
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Post by Sarch on Jul 27, 2010 2:18:44 GMT -5
Hi CT in 1871 Census Charles Allen Quick listed as a shipwright visiting brother Matthew with son Israel Parish S.IVES; District 9; Schedule 132 Charles Allen Quick I have as 2nd marriage to Mary Richards Cothey in 1871 Mary Richards Cothey I think was born in St Ives but the Mary Richards Cothey I can find in St An Garrow St Ives is 16 in 1871 Census  The marriage was registered in Plymouth in Sep Quarter of 1871 ref FreeBMD 5b 484 The info below is totally unsubstantiated but here goes anyway. ;D ;D 3 children for Charles A & Mary Q
Wilmot Jane Q b. 1875 Australia/NZ??? not sure which country m. James George Preston
Catherine Elizabeth Q b. 1877 NZ m. William Henry Rogers
William Paul Q b. 1878 NZ d. 1878 NZ
Charles Allen Quick died abt 1879 New Zealand
Mary died abt 1923 New ZealandThis bit is substantiated Mary Richards Cothey married 2nd husband Frank Ernst Roebuck 13 Jun 1880 in New Zealand - I don't have names of children from this marriage. Probable death date for Frank Roebuck is 19 Jun 1935 Whakatane New Zealand Taranaki Herald, New ZealandMarriage 1880 Roebuck - Quick. - On the 13th June, at the residence of the bridegroom's mother, Gill-street, by the Rev. D. McNicholl, Frank Ernest, eldest son of the late Stephen Johnson Roebuck, to Mary Richards relict of the late Charles Allen Quick, of Nelson. Taranaki Herald, New ZealandBirth 1881 Roebuck.- On the 10th June at New Plymouth, the wife of Mr. Frank Ernest Roebuck, of Okato, of a son Sarch |
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Post by Sarch on Jul 27, 2010 8:30:36 GMT -5
Hi CT Went searching cemeteries in New Zealand and bingo!! Charles Allen Quick, Wakapuaka Cemetery, Nelson New Zealand interred 20 Oct 1879. Ref No. WKOG06017 William Paul Quick, Wakapuaka Cemetery, Nelson, New Zealand interred 11 Jun 1878 Ref No. WKCE07005 Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 27, 2010 10:52:03 GMT -5
Sarch - I am still working on this and it seems to get more intriguing.  I have just done some work on the Cothey family and it would appear that there was only one Mary Richards Cothey. No baptism found yet but Mary Richards Cothey was born at St Ives in 1854 daughter of William Cothey and his second wife Catherine Richards. Catherine had an illegitimate daughter (Catherine Ann) at St Ives in 1846. William Cothey was first married to Jane Oliver at St Ives in 1838. He had six children with Jane of whom only three lasted past the age of 1 with one of those being buried in 1855 age 17. Jane died in 1851 and William then married Catherine Richards at St Ives in 1854. He had three children with Catherine of whom Mary Richards Cothey was the eldest. Catherine died in 1867 and William then married Elizabeth Wallis Try in 1871. This last marriage occurred in the March Qtr so was only just prior to the 1871 Census. Mary Richards Cothey was still living at home with her father (and now his new wife) in 1871 so perhaps there was a conflict there. And now for the next part of the ingrigue! Charles Allen QUICK left Melbourne in January 1871 aboard the Great Britain bound for Liverpool. With him was son Israel age 10 and we know they were with Charles' brother Matthew and his wife Fanny Gyles in the 1871 Census. Also aboard the Great Britain on that journey was one F G QUICK age 30. My first reaction was that this must be Fanny Gyles Quick, sister-in-law to Charles, and I was wondering what she had been doing in Australia. Problem is that Fanny Gyles Quick would have been about 41 at this time (born 1829) so who the heck is this F G Quick age 30? So let's look at this from a short time-line perspective:- 1.March Qtr 1871 - William Cothey marries Elizabeth Wallis Try 2.January 1871 - Charles Allen Quick departs Melbourne for Liverpool having been in Australia since at least 1854. 3. 2nd April 1871 - Census taken Mary Richards Cothey is still living at home but now with her new step-mother. Charles Allen Quick would have arrived only a few weeks prior to this date. 4. September Qtr 1871 - Charles Allen Quick married Mary Richards Cothey in Plymouth Some more checking to do now. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 27, 2010 11:12:17 GMT -5
The plot thickens even more and it begins to look like 'F G Quick' must have been Fanny Gyles Quick. The ship "Norfolk" arrived in Melbourne in October 1871 and amongst the passengers we have:- Chas A QUICK age 35 Fanny QUICK age 36 Israel QUICK age 11 Mary QUICK age 35 Matthew QUICK age 36 The sea air certainly did Charles a lot of good as he has taken 5 years off his age!! But notice that Mary is age 35!!! Matthew and Fanny Quick are shown departing Melbourne for London Ports in April 1898 aboard the "Narrung" Matthew QUICK 62 Fanny QUICK 63 I cannot find a record of Charles and Mary leaving for New Zealand. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 27, 2010 11:55:18 GMT -5
I have now worked through all the information and done some more searching. From that I can confirm that Mary Richards Cothey was about 17 when she married Charles Allen Quick. She was recorded as age 69 when she died in 1923 which puts her birth around 1854. Charles Allen Quick was recorded as age 45 when he died which is obviously about 4 years shy of reality. The one thing I cannot find is a death/burial for Betsy Cogar Quick, first wife of Charles. And all children of Charles and Mary were born in New Zealand. CT |
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Post by Sarch on Jul 27, 2010 12:28:00 GMT -5
Hi CT So Fanny Harry Gyles and Matthew Quick went on a trip to Australia and back. Well that explains why I didn't find Matthew and Fanny in the 1881 Census or the 1891 Census 1901 Piece 2248 Folio 71 Page 7 Address 53 Carbis Bay Matthew Quick Head M age 65 Retired Tailor St Ives Cornwall Fanny H Quick W M age 71 St Ives Cornwall 1911 Schedule 79 Wesley Place / Two rooms Matthew Quick Head age 75 Widower no children Retired Tailor was married about 48 years Had no children - ref 1911 census We know that Betsey Cogar Paynter died between 1860 and 1871 (well hopefully Charles wasn't a bigamist ) She is probably out there with a misspelt name. They were in Bet Bet with the birth of Betsy in 1858 and Israel in 1860 so in theory Betsey should be buried somewhere nearby? Any newspapers in tne town of Bet Bet at that time? Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 27, 2010 13:46:30 GMT -5
I have had another search of the Death Index but still cannot find Betsy under any name. Don't know what Newspapers would have been in the area at that time but I don't know how much help they would be anyway.  Could be like my 2xgt-grandfather John Singleton whose last known whereabouts was the Pleasant Creek (Stawell) Hospital. I have the Marriage Certificate for his widow when she remarried and she states she was widowed in July 1861 but there is no sign of a death for John anywhere. AND he was born in Ireland so I cannot find a birth for him either. Just tried another search for Betsy and there is absolutely no sign of her. Will leave her for another day .................. again! CT |
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Post by Sarch on Jul 27, 2010 17:44:50 GMT -5
Hi CT Obituaries are a great help, deaths were reported usually in the local papers around the time of death. Overseas deaths can often be found in the "West Briton" but often a month or two or three after the death so not always easy to find. Have you checked in New Zealand for John Singleton? There was a gold rush to Otago in 1861 and also a bit of a war going on in NZ as well? Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 28, 2010 1:25:48 GMT -5
Sarch - yes I have checked those and in fact just checked New Zealand, NSW, South Australia and Victoria all again.
Also checked for anything via the Australian Newspaper link in the Links section.
Nothing found anywhere.
CT
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Post by Sarch on Jul 28, 2010 5:09:42 GMT -5
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The ages fit but in 1841 he is born in Ireland 
