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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2010 16:09:02 GMT -5
Good morning CT
I have in my possession a death certificate for a certain Philippa Glasson who died aged 64 years at the Poor House in Falmouth.
I believe from the available marriage database that Philippa could be one of two people. First, the wife of John Glasson, therefore Philippa Trevean, married at St Erth in 1803. However I do not think that this is her. John and Philippa had three children, the last William in 1808, and in 1809 there was a burial for a John Glasson in Crowan aged 27 years.
The second marriage was Richard Glasson and Philippa Edyvean in 1799 in St Breock - 10 or so children baptised in Breock mostly but also Manaccan and Mevagissey.
Now you would think that it would be quite easy because the death certificate would say who Philippa was the wife of but Murphy's Law has it that she was the wife of Glafson, labourer.
However, what it does suggest is that Philippa's husband was still alive in 1846 or she may well have been recorded as a widow. I do not believe that John Glasson appears in the 1841 census, or anybody named John that could fit the bill. But I do believe that Richard could well be in the 1841 census.
In the 1841 census Philippa is a 60 year old independent living with Elizabeth Floyd in Polruan Street in Falmouth. No evident attachment to the others in the household, and no husband in sight. Richard Glasson is in Killigrew Street and he is a 60 year old agricultural labourer.
I am pretty sure that this couple in Falmouth is the right couple and would be interested to know your thoughts.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2010 1:29:35 GMT -5
My initial thoughts were that this was obviously Philippa Trevean.  But then you mentioned the marriage of Richard Glasson to Philippa Trevean!  I will sit on the fence for the time being over which Philippa it is as I think we need to find out what happened to the other before deciding who was who. However, there was a Philippa EDIVEAN baptised at St Minver in 1781. As regards age this would also be a match for Philippa Glasson. Not only that but St Minver is only just across the estuary from St Breock!  Leaving Philippa aside for the time being I had a look at Richard Glasson. If you have not already done so then I think I can identify him with reasonable comfort.  A check of St Breock marriages shows only one other Glasson marriage prior to 1813. John PHILLIPS married Marth GLASSON 3rd September 1796 From what I can see right now there is only one possible Martha Glasson that this could be.  Martha d/o Robert and Eleanor Glasson bp. 14th June 1778 Crowan (born 22nd April 1778) Based on that I would suggest that the man who married Philippa Edyvean was Martha's brother Richard. Richard s/o Robert and Elenor Glasson bp. 26th April 1777 Crowan (born 9th March 1777). CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2010 2:06:20 GMT -5
And now a query!  I have just added the children of Richard and Philippa Glasson to my database. I have eight baptised at St Breock and then one at Manaccan but then run into a slight dilemma at Mevagissey! The only records I have access to for this Parish are IGI and there are two baptisms both on the same day. Anna Maria Glasson d/o Ric and PHILIPPA bp. 25th June 1822 Chas Tho Ric Glasson s/o Ric and MY bp. 25th June 1822 Is the latter possibly a grandson of Richard and Philippa? Or perhaps there are more errors in this than first meet the eye! CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2010 2:17:20 GMT -5
If I have identified the correct parents for Richard Glasson and Philippa Edyvean then we now have a couple who seemed to go out of their way to ensure not one child was named after a grandparent! By my reckoning Richard Glasson was son of Robert and Eleanor. Philippa Edivean bp. 6th March 1781 St Minver d/o THOMAS and GRACE (Thomas Edyvean of St Minver married Grace Harris 4th June 1778 at St Breock) Children of Richard and Philippa:- Richard Mary John Joseph Edmund Joseph Maria Josiah Anna Maria? Jonatahan Not a Robert, Eleanor, Thomas or Grace among 'em!! And for that matter there is no Philippa either! CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2010 20:31:41 GMT -5
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You could well be right with respect to the parents of Richard, husband of Philippa Edyvean. I have to admit that I had that particular Richard attached to a certain Margaret Rowe, that marriage being in 1803 in Camborne, but what you say makes more sense and both families have, on the surface of it, abandoned the traditional naming pattern.
I do believe however that the major issue arising from this is that we are a Richard short.
Richard and Philippa produced their family in Breock between 1800 and 1824 while Richard and Margaret produced their family at Camborne between 1805 and 1823. This second Richard was a miner at Troon and it is most likely him that died aged 41 years in 1823 - giving a birth year around 1782.
Baptisms for Richard between 1760 and 1780 include only Richard, son of Robert and Eleanor in addition to a 1783 Breage baptism for the son of John and Blanch, however this Richard died aged 1.
So I am surmising that all the data is not yet in.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2010 4:33:45 GMT -5
Hmm! - short-changed again!  It certainly does appear that we may be a Richard short. And I would suggest the husband of Philippa is this one:- Richard Glasson of Union House Penryn, age 74, buried 8th June 1851 at Budock His age suggests a birth around 1776/7 so he is the more likely of the two to have been the son of Robert and Eleanor. And Budock is right by Falmouth where Philippa died. In light of this perhaps another look at the children of Richard and Margaret might be in order? Rather than a missing Richard - could we be dealing with a late baptism that is not recorded as such?  If I have the right family the first four children were Richard, Margaret, JOHN and ELIZABETH. In this scenario we would be looking for a John and Elizabeth married before 1782 but with a son Richard who may have been baptised in the 1790s. It is always possible that the baptism has been missed - just as I found when transcribing St Ives records. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 16:59:46 GMT -5
Morning CT
Almost perhaps. I was also looking for a marriage for a John and Elizabeth but with a son Richard baptised around 1782 as I think the 1790s is too late for a 1803 marriage.
So yes I think that you are likely to be right with the Richard and Philippa scenario, which leaves the Richard and Margaret one hanging.
A couple of things have been bothering me though. The first thing is the use of the name Benjamin in two generations; Richard and Margaret (1817) and then Richard and Margery (1833). The most obvious Benjamin in the Glasson family was Benjamin Stevens Glasson, born around 1810 in Camborne son of John Glasson and Elizabeth Bottrall - now doesn't that make your mouth water. But that John and Elizabeth married in 1788 in Crowan and they had a son Richard born around 1796 and he lived a long time with his brother James (and family) and never married. John and Elizabeth's son Benjamin, was named for Elizabeth's brother in law - Benjamin Stephens, husband of Constance Stephens.
The second thing is a baptism for an Elizabeth Glasson in 1780 at Camborne and no other apparent siblings and I am not even sure who these parents were.
So at the moment I cannot get my head around it so I am just trying to find out where Benjamin fits in just so as I can convince myself that I doing something useful.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2010 0:11:45 GMT -5
Lannanta - I think you missed my point! When I referred to a possible baptism in the 1790s for Richard I was suggesting this as a late baptism. So we have a Richard born around 1782 who (for whatever reason) is not baptised until several years later. I had noticed the 1796 baptism to John and Elizabeth which is what prompted me to consider the scenario. Will take a look at the problem with Benjamin and see what my twisted mind can conjure up! CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2010 0:57:30 GMT -5
Well I have solved one problem for you!! ;D Margaret ROWE baptised 28th April 1782 Camborne daughter of BENJAMIN and ELIZABETH Benjamin Row married Elizabeth Rough 13th November 1763 at Camborne That virtually takes Benjamin out of the equation and, to a fair degree, probably Elizabeth also. Apart from Richard that now leaves John, and James as the only possible clues to the parentage of Richard. He could, of course, have been illegitimate! CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 21:09:58 GMT -5
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It now appears as if the husband of Philippa Edyvean, Richard, must have been the son of Robert Glasson and Eleanor Thomas.
But before I put them all in the database I would like to review the baptisms which possibly contain an error.
And then there is:
And finally there is:
Do you think it is possible that:
1. The husband of Mary is the son of Richard and Philippa?
2. The two baptisms of Richard and Philippa at Manaccan and Mevagissey should have been attributed to Richard and Mary?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 1:21:04 GMT -5
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On reflection, and given that when Richard seniors daughter Mary married James Pool in Manaccan in 1825 the witnesses were her father and brother - both Richards, then it is quite likely that they have been recorded correctly methinks - given that they were in Manaccan.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2010 4:04:16 GMT -5
Lannanta - at this point it is the two baptisms at Mevagissey in 1822 that are the main problem. Both are on the same day but the mother in each is different. Whilst certainly possible it seems very unusual that Richard and Philippa would be at Mevagissey for that one event and then return to Manaccan. The Richard at Mevagissey is almost certainly the son of Richard and Philippa so there is definitely a connection but something just does not seem right. Richard and Mary then baptise three children at Manaccan in 1830 and th is also 'looks' a little odd with two of the children baptised 25th February and the third on 10th March. 'Looks' can be deceiving and I have seen this situation many times but I thought it worth noting. Now - I think the following will apply. Richard Glasson married Mary Thomas 31st March 1822 at Mevagissey (IGI) 1851 Census Kessel Village, St Ewe Richard Glasson, head, widr., 48, farmer, St Breock Another example of the age being incorrect but it seems unlikely this could be anyone but the son of Richard and Philippa given his birthplace. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2010 4:25:36 GMT -5
Further to my last is this from the 1841 Census:-
Middle Kessel, St Ewe
Richard GLASSON, 35, ag lab
William do., 11
Henry do., 9
The suggestion here is that Mary is deceased although that is not certain.
William is possibly the one baptised at Manaccan in 1830 but I cannot find any record for Henry so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 5:38:59 GMT -5
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Something must have attracted them to Mevagissey but obviously not enough to keep them there.
There is one interesting thing and that is the death of 5 year old Jonathan and subsequent burial on the 28 Feb 1830. Such an event could well have sparked the rush of baptisms.
I think that I am happy enough at the moment to accept the transcriptions, at least until something tells me that they are incorrect. I also found the 1841 and 1851 census entries; you will also find William in 1851 still at St Ewe on Curran Farm.
Joseph and Edmund also appear in various census and I will use the next few days, or any spare time in them, to add them to the database.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 14:32:39 GMT -5
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Henry is still there in 1851, aged 19 years at Pentrassa in St Ewe and he states that he was born in Breage.
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