Richard Glasson

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CT

I need some lateral thinking with an issue that I have been pondering on all day.

Richard Glasson and Margaret Rowe were married in 1804 at Camborne. From 1805 to 1823 they had seven children, all at Camborne - Troon in the latter years. They were:
Richard
Margaret
John
Elizabeth
Benjamin
James
Elizabeth

There is a death for a Richard of Troon in 1825, aged 41 years.

Then there is another Richard at Troon having children from 1826 to 1832 and I believe that this Richard married Margery Smith and he could well be the son of the Richard above. His children:
Richard
John
Richard
Benjamin (that name again).

So I originally assumed that the only Richard that could be Richard senior is the son of Robert and Eleanor baptised 1777 at Crowan. But on reflection the names don't fit (and I mean they really don't look anything like you would expect- the name that does fit is the son of John Glasson and Elizabeth Bottrall but he was born about 1796.

The silly thing is that Margaret Rowe may well appear in the 1841 census with Benjamin of the 1817 era. But Margaret's age is clearly given as 45 - making her 1796 as well???

I know that two eight year olds could not have started the first family but weirdly, if it wasn't for their age, it would all fit.

To top it off John Glasson and Elizabeth Bottrall had a son named - you guessed it - Benjamin.

So it is possible that the second Richard (Margery Smith's husband) is the son of John and Elizabeth - however both Richards were listed as miners of Troon - maybe a red herring??

Appreciate your thoughts, or anybody else who can help.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - 'another fine mess'?

I have had a quick look at some parts of this problem and it appears it may not be the easiest to solve.

But before getting back to some transcribing I can offer a few thoughts.

From the 1851 Census I have something of interest.

Trevool, Crowan

Richard GLASSON, head, unm, 50, farmer, Camborne
James do., brother, mar, 40, farmer, Camborne
Eleanor do., sister-in-law, mar, 33, Crowan
James do.,13, Crowan
Mary do., 10, Crowan
Edwin do., 9, Crowan
Elizabeth do., 7, Crowan
Dorothy., 6, Crowan
Ann do., 3, Crowan
Jane do., 1, Crowan

Based on a search of IGI and then the Camborne records the closest I can find for Richard and James that are a near match for this Census data might be of interest.

Richard Glasson bp. 13th November 1796 Camborne
James Glasson bp. 28th July 1805 Camborne

Both are sons of JOHN and ELIZABETH.

Of course the problem is that their ages in 1851 should be about 55 and 45 rather than 50 and 40 but ..............

1861 seems to offer a little more to suggest that the above baptisms might be correct.

Trevoole, Crowan

Richard GLASSON, head, unm, 62, farmer, Camborne
James do., brother, mar, 54, Camborne
Ellen do., wife, mar, 44, Crowan

I have not checked the following page for the children but these are the same family.

Back in 1841 they were also at Trevool with 'Ricd.' age 40, James age 30 and Eleanor age 20.

I would suggest it highly likely that this removes the son of John and Elizabeth from your equations.

Will take a look at a little more and post another note should I find anything immeditely of interest.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

I don't want to side-track you on this one but it is probably worth noting a little more about James and Eleanor.

The only marriage I can find is from IGI where there are three entries.

All are LDS member submitted entries.
All three show the same date but no place of marriage.
Two of the three have additional information with the summary being:-

James son of John Glasson married Eleanor Jewell 19th February 1840

James Glasson died/buried 30th May 1875

IGI also suggests James Glasson was born at Camborne in 1811 but this will no doubt be from the 1851 Census.

Also recorded is that Eleanor Jewell was born 1818 at Crowan daughter of Edward Jewell.

FreeBMD lends support to the above marriage.

1840 March Qtr Vol 9 Page 151
James GLASSON
Eleanor TEWELL

Based on the Census records this would mean that either James Glasson was previously married or that son James was an illegitimate child.

That part of the problem can be solved:-

James Glasson Jewell bp. 12th November 1837 Crowan son of Eleanor Jewell

Eleanor is probably:-

Eleanor d/o Edward and Eleanor JEWILE bp. 14th April 1816 Crowan

With her age at Census time also a couple of years short of being accurate I think this adds to the likelihood that James (and therefore his brother Richard) were the sons of John Glasson and Elizabeth Bottrell.

That therefore removes Richard from both scenarios presented in your initial posting as he was still unmarried in 1851.

Returning to the elder Richarc - if it were he who was buried in 1825 at the age of 41 then his birth should have been about 1784.

That would seem to also remove the possibility that he was the son of Robert Glasson.

And that leaves the only possible candidate from IGI as being:-

Richard son of John and Blanch Glasson bp. 29th May 1783 Breage

I have not done any work on this part of the Glassons so I don't know how it might fit into your problem.

CT

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Hello CT

Many thanks for your work - always helps to get another view on things.

And that leaves the only possible candidate from IGI as being:-

Richard son of John and Blanch Glasson bp. 29th May 1783 Breage

I have not done any work on this part of the Glassons so I don't know how it might fit into your problem.

This Richard from Breage died in 1784 aged 1 year - unfortunately.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

It would seem we do have a problem then!

I will think more on it and see if I can get a chance later tonight to have another hunt around.

The fate of a couple of Benjamin Glassons would be worth looking into and I have noticed that at least one of those of interest is not immediately locatable in the Census.

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CT

One thing going through my mind initially today was that it was the same Richard in both marriages but I discounted that.

Maybe there are a couple of Richards missing.

Tomorrow for me too.

Lannanta