Israel Quick

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Good morning

It would seem that the christian name Israel came to the Quick family via Israel Michell who died at Taunton on 10th April 1645, and who was most likely a member of Grenville's army. He was the husband of Phillipa Quick, daughter of Thomas and Zenobia Quick.

Phillipa's brother Francis named a son Israel in 1644, and through a second son Matthew, Francis had a grandson Israel born in 1685.

In County Cork in 1744 a certain Israel Quick was baptised to James (Jacob) Quick and his wife Sarah. This Israel died aged 14 days, but it must be a fair assumption that the father was one of Thomas and Zenobia's descendants - isn't it?

I also know of a second son of James and Sarah and this was James, obviously named for his father.

Secondly, in the exact same parish of Kilshannig, there was a second Quick family - John Quick and Honor - and one of their children was named Robert.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Referring back to a thread from last year I would have to agree that there is a connection back to Francis Quick.

I found that in every instance of the name Israel in the Quick family it could be traced directly back to Francis.

In the case of Quick m. Quick it was sometimes through the Female line but it was never traced directly back to any other of the early Quicks.

Any further information/sources on this would be appreciated please Lannanta.

But exact origins of James Quick?

Let's through another Israel into the mix.

In 1710 Admon. of the estate of Israel Quick, mariner of HMS New York was granted at Zennor to his father Jacob Quick.

I believe that Jacob (James) Quick, Israel's father, was another son of Francis Quick. (Indeed it is obvious that he must be in my opinion)

So might this be where this 'latest' James fits into the picture?

CT

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Morning CT

At this stage I have not been able to get the information I am gathering into any perspective at all, so here is what I know to date.

Firstly a question for you, if James could be a son of Francis, why could there not be a son called Israel?

The reason that I ask is that I noted that in 1711, in the "Calendar of Wills in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore" there is a probate granted for Israel Quick, 1711. Could this be the same Israel as that man in the will you refer to, or could it be an older man?

I had a few bob to spend yesterday so I spent it, probably unwisely, on a few Irish records. I learnt the following:
That on the 21st January 1744 there was a baptism for Israel Quick of Knockanesweeny in the district of Kilshannig, County Cork. Father was James Jacob Quick, mother Sarah.

On the same day James and Sarah baptised James Quick - church being the Church of Ireland. It must be that this first James died because a second James was baptised at the exact same place on the 14th December 1746.

The Israel mentioned as being baptised above died aged 14 days on the 3rd February 1744 at the same place.

Of course, there is nothing to say that this is not the origin of the West Penwith Quicks, those that were said to have come from Ireland and wrecked at Cornwall, and also nothing to say that the origin of the name Israel has nothing to do with Phillipa's husband.

I have a few other records which are generally of little value. But on the 24th December 1752 Robert Quick, son of John Quick and Honora was baptised at Drumineen in the parish of Kilshannig.

In the 1766 census of the parish of Kilshannig, recorded as protestants, there were three Quicks, Robert, Jacob and John.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Firstly a question for you, if James could be a son of Francis, why could there not be a son called Israel?

Lannanta - I am not quite sure that I understand your question.

I believe Jacob (James) the named father of Israel Quick, mariner of HMS New York, to have been the son of Francis Quick - therefore we certainly have Israel as a grandson to Francis via James.

As regards the Probate of Israel Quick in 1711 - I would suggest this is a different Israel given the 1710 document was an Administration.

And now a question for you!!

Why could the Israel whose Probate is recorded at Waterford in 1711 not be the son of Francis?

We know from the Will of Francis that Israel had 'children'.

We have record of Francis s/o Israel being buried at Towednack in 1668.
We have John s/o Israel baptised at Towednack in 1673 (two baptisms recorded in September and December)
We have record of Mary d/o Israel baptised at Towednack in 1676.

And then there is Elizabeth d/o Israel Quick baptised 22nd June 1691 at Morvah and (presumably the same girl) buried 11th March 1691/2 at St Ives.

Thereafter we seem to have no further record of Israel and his surviving children.

We also have no record of his marriage and nothing to identify his wife except that she 'may have been' Mary if the first known daughter was named after her.

And then there is the anomaly of 15 years between the baptisms of daughters Mary and Elizabeth and 5 years from the burial of son Francis to the baptism of John.

If a copy exists then it might be well worth knowing the contents of that 1711 document!

CT

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CT

It appears as if James/Jacob Quick and his wife Sarah had at least four sons, with the earliest being two (James and Israel) baptised on the 21st January 1744 and being of a town called Knockasweeney in the district of Kilshannig, County Cork. The next two were another James in 1746 and William in 1749. Of these four boys, all but the second James died as infants.

The interesting thing is that Sarah must have been the second wife of Jacob. This is because on the 15th Nov 1747 there was a death for a William Quick who was the son of Jacob and "a former wife". As in all the others the town was Knockasweeney.

At around the same time John Quick and Honora were also having a family. Robert, of Drumineen, was born on the 24th December 1752. There was also a death for Jacob on 21 Feb 1777 - both children of John.

So, James and John were either brothers, or father and son??

In addition I have the following burials;
Sarah, wife of Jacob, at Dromore, on 20th March 1773.
Jacob, at Dromore, on 12th April 1783.
James, at Dromore, on 3rd July 1788.
John, at Knockasweeney, 5th December 1784.

Sadly, all without ages so I can only assume that they were adults.

I am convinced that this is part of the West Penwith family.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - my access to Irish information is very much limited to IGI but there is only record of one Israel Quick and that is the son of Jacob and Sarah.

I think that tends to lend weight to the conclusion that there is a connection to the Quick family of Zennor and Towednack.

And I also think that if we look at just when this Israel appeared (1744) then it is likely the direct connection between Cornwall and Ireland is not too far back.

For the record (from IGI):-

Jacob QUICK married Sarah BERRY 22nd January 1743 Kilshannig by Mallow, Cork, Ireland

CT

[teesakiwi]

Hey again CT...Just going thru ALL the old posts, tidying up a few loose ends.....this bit confuses me a little...


I believe Jacob (James) the named father of Israel Quick, mariner of HMS New York, to have been the son of Francis Quick - therefore we certainly have Israel as a grandson to Francis via James

Is the Francis Quick you refer to the husband of Elizabeth Paule and son of Thomas and Zenobia??

THanking you .....Teresa

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Teresa - yes, that is who I mean.

Unfortunately I have nothing more that can prove it but it does seem a logical conclusion.

My observations indicate very strongly (at least to me) that every instance of the name 'Israel' in the Quick family through and beyond the 19th Century can all be traced directly back to Francis Quick.

In cases where we have (male) Quick m. (female) Quick then at least one of those is a direct descendant of Francis.

CT