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Post by Sarch on Dec 22, 2009 14:59:25 GMT -5
The problem of the 2 Nicholas Wallishs)I have Nicholas Wallish married to Ann Read as the son of Francis Wallish and Rachel However the Quaker marriage records state
5 Dec 1672: Ann Read of Sennen dau. of George & Ann Read to Nicholas Wallish son of Digory Wallish.  The reasons I have for making Nicholas married to Ann Reed the son of Francis are  - 1. Francis Wallish's will 1695 he states that his son Nicholas is dead and names his grandson Nicholas Wallish married to Prudence Harry
- 2. Nicholas Wallish died 1680 St Buryan son of Francis?
- 3. Nicholas Wallish son of Degory Wallish died in 1702 a month before the birth of his daughter Mary in St Buryan
- 4. Witnesses to the Marriage of Ann Reed and Nicholas Wallish - there is no Digory Wallish (not conclusive I know) but there is a Nicholas Wallish
Witnesses:- Nicholas John, William Roberts, George Read, Jenken Vingoe, Charles Ellis,
John Wallish, Sampson & Richard Daniel, John Mathew, William Lawry, Nicholas Wallish, Tobyas Read, Dorothy Ellis, Briget Ellis, Philip Ellis, Blanch Bosustow, Lowdy Ellis, Ann Reed
Can anyone add to this/ help with this problem? Regards Sarch
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Post by newlyn on Dec 22, 2009 15:39:04 GMT -5
The date that I have found for the Quaker marriage of Nicholas Wallish to Ann Read is 8.2.1672/73.
Ann Read - Quaker birth 2.6.1654 daughter of George Read and Ann.
There was a Nicholas Wallish born 17.8.1679 St Just son of Deggory/Degory Wallish
and Alice Lethen who married 12.6.1675 St Just.
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Post by myghaelangof on Dec 22, 2009 15:47:26 GMT -5
Hello Sarch, I dont have any direct involvement with this family, however I would make the following observations: Looking at West Penwith Resources transcripts of the St Buryan burials we see that the burial entry for daughter Mary in 1702 reads: Mary daughter of Elizabeth WALLISH widow of Nicholas. Therefore I'd assume that the Nicholas WALLISH buried in 1702 was the husband of Elizabeth. Neither the 1680 nor 1702 entries suggest which Nicholas WALLISH, however the will of Francis WALLISH in 1695 suggests it was his son who died in 1680. It could even have been the grandson who was buried in 1702, maybe having remarried. All sorts of possibilities? Did Nicholas and Ann have children after 1680, and where were they baptised? Did Ann die, with her widower marrying an Elizabeth before 1702 I'd be inclined to believe the Quaker transcript, though we have all found errors in parish and other records before now. I'm sure someone will have the answers for you |
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Post by newlyn on Dec 22, 2009 15:56:13 GMT -5
Some burials of Nicholas Wallish parents not named:
7.9.1680 St Buryan
13.2.1702 St Buryan
17.1.1704 St Buryan
18.7.1708 Sennen
Nicholas son of Deggory also had a brother Francis born November, 1685 St Just.
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Post by newlyn on Dec 22, 2009 16:12:54 GMT -5
There was a Nicholas Wallish who married Elizabeth Woolcock 23.12.1701 St Buryan
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Post by Sarch on Dec 22, 2009 17:26:12 GMT -5
Hi Newlyn & myghaelangof thanks for the reply We can put parents to Nicholas Wallish who was buried 17.1.1704 St Buryan who was the son of Joseph and Elizabeth Wallish Nicholas who died 1702 St Buryan was the father of Mary and husband of Elizabeth Nicholas Wallish who died 1708 Sennen was the son of James Regards Sarch |
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Post by newlyn on Dec 22, 2009 17:54:56 GMT -5
There was a James Wallish who married Margaret Mason 20.10.1665 St Just.
Burials for James Wallish:
8.11.1699 Sennen
27.8.1730 Paul
28.2.1733 Paul
Diggory Wallish also had a son James born 28.2.1693 St Just
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2009 0:37:10 GMT -5
And to make things more awkward  there were two children baptised to Nicholas and Elizabeth Wallish PRIOR to 1701!  John s/o Necholas Walish and Elysabeth bp. 26th December 1696 St Buryan Richard s/o Nicolas Wallish and Elizabeth bp. 10th April 1699 St Buryan I will try and take a look at the problem later tonight. CT |
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Post by Sarch on Dec 23, 2009 1:59:36 GMT -5
Hi CT There is another one!  They are coming out the woodwork Marriage St Levan 24 Jun 1769 St Levan Nicholas Wallish from Sennen to Elizabeth Richards Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2009 4:19:28 GMT -5
He should not be so much of a problem given that marriage is 70-odd years after what we are currently dealing with.  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2009 5:15:21 GMT -5
Sarch - it seems we may have another problem here! You are quoting from a Will of 1695 and you say that Francis names his grandson Nicholas as being married to Prudence Harry. Is that union actually mentioned in the Will or have you determined that the husband of Prudence Harry was the grandson of Francis? Nicholas Wallis, of St. Leverine, married Prudence, dau. of Stephen Harry, of St. Buryan 23rd November 1713This marriage is 18 years after the Will! Although possible I would be hesitant to think there was yet another Nicholas Wallish who also married a Prudence Harry.  Clarification would be appreciated. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2009 5:24:15 GMT -5
Oh yes! - if you really want to start playing around and identifying every man named Nicholas Wallish back then you are going to have some real fun! And I think some of the wives might be a test. Looking at St Buryan baptisms for children of Nicholas Wallish and I have already turned up the following interesting Christian names for wives:- HENBOROUGH KENESIA These are from IGI so ..... However:- Nicholas Wallish married Kenborough Bond 25th July 1713 at Gulval I have no idea about the second one! CT |
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Post by Sarch on Dec 23, 2009 6:56:49 GMT -5
Hi CT I have not seen the Will - my notes are from Ken Wallis. I originally had Ann Reed married to Nicholas Wallish son of Degory and have changed it to fit in with Ken's thinking that there is a mistake on the marriage record and that Nicholas is the son of Francis Wallish and Rachel. Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2009 7:41:12 GMT -5
Hmmm - I think we had better tread warily here. First thing I need is to try and locate a copy or transcript of that Will. We know from recent experience that records 'can' be incorrect but I am not prepared to jump either way right at the moment and say one or other idea is correct. What I will do is start with the Quaker marriage record and treat it as being correct until it can be proven otherwise. Although a transcript, it is at least based on a legitimate original record. CT |
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there were two children baptised to Nicholas and Elizabeth Wallish PRIOR to 1701! 
