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Post by quicksilver on Nov 28, 2009 18:10:09 GMT -5
Calling all Wendron folk!! My cousin's ggrand-father was William Gluyas (born about 1826) in Wendron. He married Elizabeth Grey at Stithians on Mar 3 1849, and we know from the marriage certificate his father was William Gluyas too (a miner). To avoid confusion I'll call his father (senior). In the 1881 census William Gluyas (junior) farmed at Pencoose in Stithians and his descendants still farm there now. We think William Gluyas (senior) was born about 1800 at Whitealice Wendron. My question is in three parts (i) who did William Gluyas (senior) marry around 1826? (ii) who were his parents and finally (iii) who was present at William Gluyas (junior's) baptism? Many thanks QUICKSILVER  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 29, 2009 10:09:09 GMT -5
This is the most likely from IGI based on your information:-
William s/o William and Elizabeth Gluyas bp. 25th December 1826 at Wendron
It is unlikely you would find anything other than the parents names, abode and possibly occupation of the father on the actual Baptism record.
I don't have the resources at the moment to check that marriage but at least it might be something to work with.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 29, 2009 10:17:53 GMT -5
It might be worth noting that William and Elizabeth Gluyas baptised only one child at Wendron - William in 1826. This might suggest that William died and that Elizabeth remarried. There is a William Gluyas, age 12, living at Stithians in 1841 with the family of Thomas and Mary Oppey. Might or might not be him but it is a difficult name to track with transcribers recording it so many different ways - in one instance I found it as GLIMES! |
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Post by newlyn on Nov 29, 2009 10:33:22 GMT -5
A William Gluyas married Elizabeth Stevens 26.4.1791 St Hilary.
A William Gluyas married Catherine Tregoning 21.5.1826 Wendron.
In the 1851 census there was a William Gluyas b.1829 Wendron living with
Uncle and Aunt.
Oliver Gluyas b.1800 and Ann b.1801.
Living at Halwin, Wendron.
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Post by quicksilver on Nov 29, 2009 14:36:20 GMT -5
Thank you guys!! The baptism seems to suggest William Gluyas (b 1826) was son of William Gluyas and Elizabeth, but if Elizabeth Stevens is William's mother she must have had him very late in life (1826-1791) = 35 making Elizabeth Stevens aged 50+ on conception!! I'll have to see if the OPC at Wendron can help over the baptismal record. The only other thing I know is that William Gluyas (jnr) had a half brother : Richard Gluyas b 1807 in Wendron, and they both spent time in Australia. Richard Gluyas married Priscilla Opie in Wendron and went out to Australia permanently with his family, whereas William (jnr) joined him later and having struck gold in Australia, returned to Stithians to his family and eventually purchased Pencoose Farm from the proceeds. But thankyou CT, & Newlyn, for your provoking thoughts!!
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Post by newlyn on Nov 29, 2009 15:17:17 GMT -5
Richard Gluyas born 23.8.1807 Wendron
married Priscilla Oppy 22.10.1831 Wendron.
In the 1841 census their children were:
William b.1835
Tamson b.1837
John b.1839
Family living at Whitealice, Wendron
Parents of Richard were John Gluyas and Margaret Pascoe who
married 8.5.1790 Wendron
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Post by quicksilver on Nov 29, 2009 17:02:13 GMT -5
Many thanks Newlyn, I agree with your research, and will come back to you after I have an answer from Kathy Bretthauer the OPC of Wendron. Kind Regards QUICKSILVER
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 30, 2009 1:54:12 GMT -5
This would suggest that John Gluyas was the father of William!  According to IGI John and Margaret Gluyas had nine children between 1790 and 1811. Of these the first child, Elizabeth, was buried at Wendron in 1801. But John and Margaret also had a son named WILLIAM baptised 2nd January 1803 at Wendron. I think this removes the family of John and Margaret from the equation. BUT - here is something else to throw into the mix for cogitation. Might this be another of the red herrings we have encountered here over the last several months? It must be considered possible that this is yet another example of an error on a marriage certificate.  We have already had two or three examples of the father's name being recorded incorrectly on certificates with one case showing the father as George when it was, in fact, William. I will take a closer look at the problem. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 30, 2009 3:06:48 GMT -5
Quicksilver - you mention that William and Richard Gluyas were half-brothers.
Could you elaborate and tell me what information you have that suggests this relationship?
The answer to this question may help determine the parents of William.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 30, 2009 3:51:09 GMT -5
Quicksilver - I do not for one moment think the marriage of William to Elizabeth Stevens is any direct connection here. I work on age 48 is the age at which a woman would be likely to have her last child in those days - although there are rare exceptions. William and Catherine might be a possibility but I have an idea I saw something last night to indicate their son William died young. Newlyn - William Gluyas married Elizabeth Grey in 1849 so the William with uncle Oliver in 1851 is a different man.  I am trying to piece the family together at the moment so I can form a better picture and will advise should I find anything useful or of interest. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 30, 2009 5:04:27 GMT -5
This Australian connection is a little confusing. There was a Richard GLUYAS with wife Priscilla (nee TOY) who had quite a number of children whose births were registered in Victoria between 1862 and 1872. And then in 1879 a son William was registered in South Australia. This is obviously all far too late to be the Richard and Priscilla you have mentioned. BUT - there are two deaths registered in South Australia which could be 'your' Richard and Priscilla. Richard GLUYAS age 70 died near Hamilton 14th August 1877 Prescilla BLUYAS age 75 died at Hamilton 8th July 1884 The only child of Richard and Priscilla that I can identify in Australia is daughter Tamson (Thomasine) who married Richard NICHOLLS in Victoria in 1854. Tamson NICHOLLS died at White Hills, Victoria in 1918 age 81. Father - Richard GLUYAS Mother - Priscilla OPIE I can so far find nothing definite about any other children. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 30, 2009 6:49:46 GMT -5
Further to my last - Richard GLUYAS married Priscilla TOY in the March Qtr of 1861 Helston Registration District.
I have not yet found them in the 1861 Census which suggests they departed for Australia soon after the marriage.
According to the 1851 Census (where she is indexed as GOY) Priscilla was born at Wendron about 1841/2 so was about 19 when she married Richard.
I have come to a bit of a stall with the rest for now so will wait until reading information about the connection between Richard and William Gluyas as half-brothers.
CT
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Post by quicksilver on Dec 6, 2009 7:41:26 GMT -5
Dear CT & Newlyn,
You have been very kind with your suggestions. Kathy (the OPC at Wendron) has promised she'll get back to me soon. Paul Gluyas who lives in Australia and whose ggggrand-father was Richard Gluyas (b Aug 4 1807 in Wendron), showed me the evidence that Richard Gluyas, his wife (Priscilla Opie) and 4 children sailed from Plymouth on April 4th 1847 in 'La Belle Alliance.' this is seen if you google 'To South Australia we are bound passengers 1846-1850.' William Gluyas (sen) sailed later on the 'Tiptree' arriving in Victoria NSW in January 1857. You can see this on http://proarchives.imagineering.co..au/index_search.asp?search=23 where William Gluyes, aged 31, is seen on his own. William is then absent from the UK until after the 1861 census. William married Elizabeth Grey on March 3rd 1849 at Stithians Praish Church, and they had all their 5 children before he left for Australia, although Francis (the youngest) was born about June 1857 and wouldn't have been seen until after William's return from down under.
I thought I would give you the time line to clear up one or two misunderstandings above.
Kind Regards QUICKSILVER
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Post by newlyn on Dec 6, 2009 7:52:56 GMT -5
No problem Quicksilver - happy to have helped.
Let us know if you need help with anything else.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 6, 2009 9:18:49 GMT -5
Hi Quicksilver - I will take another look at this again in the next few days as I get time.
The additional data and resources will certainly help so I will piece things together and see how it looks.
Hopefully I will find another clue or two to work from.
Ct
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