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Post by Sarch on Oct 25, 2009 14:54:28 GMT -5
I have a Charles Quick born 1852 son of Matthew Quick and Alice Nankervis and I have a note that he died in 1865 of smallpox as did 3 other of Matthew and Alice's children. The problem is in the 1871 Census there is a Charles Quick married to Elizabeth Ann Cocking living in Back Road St Ives both aged 20 years. I have a marriage date of December quarter 1870 for Charles Quick and Elizabeth Ann Cocking. Is this a different Charles Quick or is the death of Charles son of Matthew and Alice that I have an error?  The other children of Matthew and Alice I have dying in 1865 of smallpox are, Dionsyius, William Henry and Elizabeth Regards Sarch |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 15:59:06 GMT -5
Hello Sarch
I agree with you and believe it to be correct.
I believe this Charles to be the son of Charles Wedge Quick and Elizabeth nee Nicholas, born at St Ives around 1850.
Lannanta
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 1:41:04 GMT -5
Thanks Lananta
Still on the Charles Quick front another mystery
Charles Wedge Quick son of Elizabeth Jane Quick (unmarried) grandson of Charles Wedge and Elizabeth nee Nicholas is living in 1881 census with Job Stevens and is his nephew?
Any ideas on how Charles W Quick is related to the Stevens' family?
St Ives - Primitive Methodist - Baptism
27 Jun 1877 Charles Wedge son of Elizabeth Jane Quick of Digey
1881 Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Job STEVENS Head M Male 77 St Ives, Cornwall, England Fisherman
Cordilia STEVENS Wife M Female 72 St Ives, Cornwall,England Green Grocer
John T STEVENS Son M Male 45 St Ives ((St Buryan)), Cornwall, England Fisherman Charlotte STEVENS Sons Wife M Female 40 St Buryan, Cornwall, England Charles QUICK Nephew U Male 9 St Ives, Cornwall, England Scholar
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Source Information:
Dwelling St Andrews Street
Census Place St Ives, Cornwall, England
Family History Library Film 1341563
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2342 / 9
Page Number 11
St Ives Marriage
25 Sep 1898 by Banns
Groom Charles Wedge Quick age 27 years Batchelor occ Carpenter Residence St Ives, (father blank) Bride Alice Stevens Pearce age 21 years Spinster, Res St Ives Father John Harvey Pearce Fisherman.
Witnesses: John Pearce Stevens, [?]
Charles Wedge Quick named one of his sons Job Stevens Quick born abt 1908 died 1911
Mother, Elizabeth Jane Quick never married died 1913 aged 54
Barnoon Cemetery - St Ives
Job Stevens child of Charles W. & Alice S. Quick 28/12/1911 2y 11m also Elizabeth Jane 5/2/1913 54 also John Harvey Pearce 31/3/1918 66 also Alice Stevens Pearce his wife 16/10/1918 66
Regards
Sarch
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 1:59:01 GMT -5
Hi Sarch I do not know but CT might. Maybe his father was a STEVENS given that he was illegitimate?  In the 1891 census Charles is still with this family, although the head of the household is John P. Stevens. Lannanta |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 4:58:54 GMT -5
Hi Sarch
These burial/death dates for the two adults do not quite seem to fit - at least for me anyway.
If Elizabeth Jane died in 1913 then I show her as having to be 63 years of age.
When Alice died in 1918 then my records would show her age as 41 years of age.
Are you able to check these?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2009 5:09:52 GMT -5
Quite correct Lannanta and I have a record which shows that he was baptised at St Ives 30th March 1851. (The transcript I menioned yesterday.) And now for the complicated link to Job Stevens!  It is possible that I have another link in the chain missing and it may be that the father of Charles Quick was a Stevens.  But the link as 'nephew' to Job and Cordelia Stevens' is not quite so direct. If you look at the ages of the parties involved it is quite plain that the 'standard' uncle/nephew relationship could be possible. Job Stevens was 77 and Cordelia 72 while young Charles Quick was only 9. Job Stevens married Cordelia Pearce at St Ives 13th November 1825 Amongst their children were Cordelia and John Pearce Stevens (in the 1881 Census as John T). Cordelia Stevens married John Rowe at St Ives 17th March 1849 They had a daughter Alice Stevens Rowe born 1851 at St Ives. Alice Stevens Rowe then married John Harvey Pearce at St Ives 30th April 1871. This couple then had a daughter whom they named Alice Stevens Rowe about 1877. Alice Stevens Rowe (just mentioned) then married Charles Wedge Quick at St Ives 25th September 1898. That is the only connection I have at the moment. CT |
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 7:45:13 GMT -5
Hi Lannanta I have the birth of Elizabeth Jane Quick as about 1850 which in 1913 would make her about 53/54 years The ages of John Harvey Pearce and Alice Stevens Rowe I got from their marriage they were both born about 1852 and died 1918 which would make both their ages about 66  Marriage St Ives 30 Apr 1871 by Banns John Harvey Pearce 19 bachelor Fisherman of St. Ives (Father: John Harvey Pearce, Sawyer) Alice Stevens Rowe 19 spinster of St. Ives (Father: John Rowe, Fitter) Witnesses: Job Stevens, Emily Ann Pearce CT that was a most brilliant piecing together of how Charles Wedge is related to Job Stevens - I am extremely impressed BUT  there must be/most probably is another link as this one only comes about with Charles Wedge Quicks marriage to Alice Stevens Pearce Regards Sarch |
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 8:06:35 GMT -5
Just had a thought Both John Harvey Pearce and his wife Alice died in 1918 - the flu epidemic was around that time? Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2009 8:49:16 GMT -5
Lannanta - I think you may have misread the transcription. When you talk about the death of 'Alice' I believe you are referring to the wife of Charles Wedge Quick. If she had died in 1918 she would have been about 41. However the Alice recorded in that Death extract was Alice Stevens Pearce her mother who was born in 1851. I have no record of when Alice Stevens Quick died. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2009 8:52:10 GMT -5
Sarch - I have only had a brief look at other possible connections between young Charles and Job Stevens but so far can find nothing obvious.
The most likely possibility that came to mind was that the 'nephew' actually related to John P Stevens and not to Job.
But that would only work if one of John's brothers were the acknowledged father of Charles.
On the other hand we must remember that the term 'nephew' was not always used as we know it today.
CT
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 9:25:51 GMT -5
CT
I have been wondering if Charles Wedge Quick was not the natural son of John P Stevens and "nephew" was just a cover-up?
John P Stevens does not seem to have any children with his wife Charlotte?
Sarch
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 9:50:34 GMT -5
CT Thomas Wedge Quick brother of Charles Wedge Quick married Jane Stevens daughter of Job Stevens - is this a possible connection to Charles Wedge Quick son of Elizabeth Jane Q? This probably only works if Job Stevens is the father of Job Stevens married to Cordilia Pearce or related in some other way? Sarch |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 13:01:25 GMT -5
Hi Sarch
Actually it wouldn't. She would have been 50 in 1900 and therefore 63 in 1913. ;D
Lannanta
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 16:34:03 GMT -5
Hi Lannanta
*Sigh* 63 you are right - I have to stop doing mental arithmatic - its driving me nuts ;D
Sarch
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Post by Sarch on Oct 26, 2009 16:55:06 GMT -5
Hi Lannanta
I found this post in the Cornish L archives from SuezanJames
Titled Births Deaths Marriages St-Ives 1913 from the Times and Echo
7/2/1913 Mrs Edmund JEFFREY died on Sunday buried at Barnoon Cemetery Nee (NIXON_JAMES) son Hubert brother Arthur.
Mr Thomas KING of lelant has been buried at Barnoon Cemetery died Saturday aged 61
Death of Miss Eliza Jane MATTHEWS daughter of James Matthews aged 29 sisters named as Bessie,Mary,Gracie. Brother James and Brother in Law James STEVENS
Death of Mitchell WILLIAMS died Friday aged 36
Death of Miss Elizabeth Jane QUICK aged 63 she died on Thursday morning.
Death of Elizabeth Ann Thomas aged 81 widow of the late Richard PEARCE died Tuesday am
There it is 63 there is probably a typo in the age of Elizabeth Jane Quick in Barnoon Inscriptions.
Regards
Sarch
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there must be/most probably is another link as this one only comes about with Charles Wedge Quicks marriage to Alice Stevens Pearce