Spice Timmins

[sandiq]

Hi, I have a forebear who I am having trouble tracking down.

My husband's ggg grandmother is Sarah Elizabeth Timmins, born in Cornwall in about 1847. Her father is listed as Spice Henry John Lock Timmins... noted on BDM record as "Spice Hy Jno Lock". Is Spice just a very unusual name, or is it an abreviation for Spencer or something? I cannot find any other record of him. Can anyone shed any light?

BTW her mother was listed as Ann Foster.

Thanks.

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Sandiq - welcome aboardf

Most intriguing is this little problem.

So far, after a very brief look, I have been unable to find anything.

Nothing in FreeBMD and nothing in the 1851 Census as yet.

Is there anything more you can tell me about Sarah?

You quote a BDM record - can you elaborate and give me any further details please?

The smallest clue might help but if you have an actual Parish that would be even better.

CT

[sandiq]

Hi CT,

Victorian BDM
Historical Index Detailed Results

Family Name: TIMMINS
Given Name(s): Sarah Elizth
Sex: Unknown
Event: DEATH
Father's Name: Spice Hy Jno Lock
Mother's Name: FOSTER - Ann
Spouse's Family Name:
Spouse's Given Name(s):
Age: 67
Birth Place:
Death Place: Bgo
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Number: 4872


I also have Ann Timmins and three children (Sarah, John and Alice) coming to Australia in 1858 aboard the John and Lucy. So if this is them I would assume "Spice" is dead by this time. However the death cert would make her aged 17 in '58, not 10.


Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923

This is an index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists for British, Foreign and New Zealand Ports 1852-1923
4 results found.

Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page
TIMMINS ALICE 3 DEC 1858 JOHN AND LUCY B 155 004
TIMMINS ANN 41 DEC 1858 JOHN AND LUCY B 155 004
TIMMINS JOHN 6 DEC 1858 JOHN AND LUCY B 155 004
TIMMINS SARAH 10 DEC 1858 JOHN AND LUCY B 155 004

Sarah married Henry Glasson in 1872
Historical Index Detailed Results

Family Name: GLASSON
Given Name(s): Henry
Sex: Male
Event: MARRIAGE
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Family Name: TIMMINS
Spouse's Given Name(s): Sarah
Age:
Birth Place: CORNWALL
Death Place:
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Number: 3951

[Deleted]

Good morning

Sarah married Henry Glasson in 1872
Historical Index Detailed Results

Family Name: GLASSON
Given Name(s): Henry
Sex: Male
Event: MARRIAGE
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Family Name: TIMMINS
Spouse's Given Name(s): Sarah
Age:
Birth Place: CORNWALL
Death Place:
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Number: 3951

According to my records Henry married Sarah Timmins on the 31st September 1872 at Sebastopol in Victoria. Henry was the son of Richard Glasson and Mary nee Thomas while Sarah was the daughter of Richard Timmins and Emma nee Newman. My notes state that this is the information on the certificate of marriage.

Lannanta

[sandiq]

You are right, Lannanta. I couldn't find her because they spelt Timmins 'Timmimgs' which didn't show up on my search. It would be interesting to find out who Spice was though!


Family Name: GLASSON
Given Name(s): Sarah
Sex: Female
Event: DEATH
Father's Name: Timmimgs Richard
Mother's Name: NEWMAN - Emma
Spouse's Family Name:
Spouse's Given Name(s):
Age: 68
Birth Place:
Death Place: BALLARAT
Registration Year: 1921
Registration Number: 4195


Thanks for your help

[Cornish Terrier]

I'm thinking we have two different Sarah Timmins involved here!

Looking at the Pioneer Index for the marriage of Henry Glasson and Sarah Timmins.

This states that Sarah was born at ST KILDA! (Henry was born in Cornwall)

She is also married as 'Sarah' and not 'Sarah Elizabeth'.

The next part of the problem is the Death Record.

If your Sarah married Henry GLASSON then why would her death be registered as Sarah Elizabeth TIMMINS?

The answer to that, I believe, is that this again is not your Sarah.

And looking at the Death Record in the Edwardian Index I would suggest that TIMMINS was this lady's married name.

SPICE - Problem solved!!!

I have not found a birth for Sarah Elizabeth yet but ....

Elizabeth SPICE married Edward TIMMINS in Victoria in 1865

John Henry Lock SPICE married Grace BURT in 1879

This last man appears in a couple of different ways when his children are registered:-

John Lock SPICE
Henry John Lock SPICE

Amongst the children are Annie Foster SPICE born at Bacchus Marsh in 1882.

And he is supposed to have been born at Elphinstone.

I think the wife of Edward TIMMINS (above) is the Sarah Elizabeth TIMMINS for whom you have provided death details.

All of a sudden your problem is looking a little less SPICEY! ;D

With the information provided by Lannanta I think you can safely move on and leave the 'Spice Girls' (and boys) to look after themselves.

Looking at the Pioneer Index again and I think Sarah was a little mistaken in giving her birthplace as St Kilda.

The only member of the family who appears to have been born in Victoria was William s/o Richard and Emma Timmins at St Kilda in 1857.

Here is the marriage you want:-

Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NEWMAN Emma Wolverhampton 17 296
TIMMINS Richard Wolverhampton 17 296


CT

[sandiq]

Yes, thanks it seems you are both correct. I defer to your insight, it seems I got myself quite confused. This fits much better.

I've not found any record of Sarah, daughter of Richard and Emma being born in Victoria (let alone StKilda) perhaps I should look in Wolverhampton.

Thanks again,

Sandi

[Cornish Terrier]

Always glad to be of help.

I had a very quick look last night but could not find Richard and Emma in the Census.

Will see if I can find something in the Passenger Lists.

CT