Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 10, 2022 10:53:03 GMT -5
Time to resurrect another old thread which has some links to the Christopher Cock and Nennises thread which has been active of late.
For years I have been trying to identify where Christopher Trewhella of Helston really belongs. Christopher was one of those who witnessed the Will of Christopher Cock of Helston in 1678 and it is apparent from that Will that he had married one of the daughters of Christopher Cock. That daughter was the only child of Christopher Cock not actually named in his Will so it is assumed that she had pre-deceased her father.
The key bequests in the Will of Christopher Cock, at least as far as identifying Christopher Trewhella is concerned, are these:-
Item I give and bequeath Unto my Grandson Charles Trewheela twelve pence Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandsons Thomas Trewheela Mathew Trewheela and David Trewheela the sume of five pounds A peece
Christopher Cock had been married in 1626 at Helston and his first child baptised in that Parish later that same year and he had two sons, both named Thomas, baptised at St Ives in 1636 and 1638. No burial has been found for the first of these sons but the availability and state of repair of existing records suggests evidence of that event is probably lost.
As well as daughter Jane (1626) and the two sons just mentioned there were four other children named in this Will as well as grandchildren belong to each. And then there is the unnamed daughter and wife of, presumably, Christopher Trewhella for a total of eight children between the years 1626 and at least 1638.
Christopher Cock's first bequest was to his wife Jane followed by his two sons Christopher and Thomas who appear to have been named in order. He then named his surviving married daughters again presumably in order of their birth - Jane King, Margery Nennis and Ann Hampton. After this were the children of his two sons and then the Trewhella grandchildren, Hampton grandchildren and Nennis grandchildren.
The Nennis grandchildren and 'grandson Matthew Trenwith' were named together and each given 'twelve pence apeece' and the final bequest to grandchilren was to grandsons Christopher and John May each given
'fiftie shillings'.
These last two bequests give me cause to rethink things a little because it was always assumed that eldest daughter Jane married three times - Mathew Trenwith followed by the father of the two May children and then to someone named King. But the way these last bequests are written seems a little at odds with that. On the other hand it does appear that Margery Nennis and her husband David both lived past 1700.
The final bequests were two 'my cossen William Cock' and then to his unmarried daughter Mary Cock who was named Executrix.
Nevertheless, the point of this is to try and create a rough timeline for Christopher Trewhella!
From the order of bequests we know that Christopher was the elder of the two sons of Christopher Cock and we know that Thomas was baptised in 1638. We also know that daughter Jane was the eldest child followed by Margery and then Ann but the placement of Mary and of the daughter who married Christopher Trewhella is a little less certain .............
It is possible one or perhaps two children may have been born after Thomas in 1638 but it is equally possible he was the last child. I think the most likely scenario is that daughters Margery, Ann and the unnamed wife of Christopher Trewhella were all probably born during the 1630s with Margery and Ann both known to have married in 1661 at Perrnuthnoe and St Erth respectively.
And now to Christopher Trewhella ..............
The 1688 Court Roll document for Amyll an Trylle, Towednack was signed by, amongst others, Christopher Trewhella. Apart from the Christopher associated with Christopher Cock and Helston the earliest of that name was not baptised until 1702 at Towednack which suggests it is likely this is where Christopher originated.
Of the Trewhellas at Towednack there are arguably four possibilities for a link to Christopher:-
1. son of James Trewhella the Churchwarden
2. grandson of the above via his son James
3. son of Thomas Trewhella (son of 1.) and Katherine Buswin who married at St Erth in 1651
4. son of Matthew Trewhella whose existence is known only by a single document record - the 1641 Protestation Return for Towednack.
Christopher Trewhella did name sons Thomas and Matthew which might suggest possible links to nos 3. and 4. in the list. But equally Thomas and Matthew also appear to have been both sons of James Trewhella the Churchwarden.
Now, we know that Christopher Trewhella's wife was probably born during the 1630s with a lesser possibility of being born in the early 1640s. And we know the names of Christopher Cock's Trewhella grandchildren were Charles, Thomas, Matthew and David.
Charles Trewhella is most likely the Charles who married Margery Luke at Camborne in 1686 which means he was probably born no later than 1666 and possibly as early as the later 1650s. HOWEVER!!!! - The Restoration of the Monarchy brought CHARLES II to the throne in England so the first child of Christopher Trewhella was probably named for him. That would place the birth of Charles Trewhella at no earlier than 1660.
If his wife were born in the 1630s and first son born potentially in 1660 or 1661 then it is probably that Christopher Trewhella himself was born in the late 1620s or early 1630s he therefore cannot have been a son of Thomas and Katherine.
I also think it unlikely that Matthew Trewhella of the 1641 Protestation Return was Christopher's father given the lack of any further record of him. All the Trewhellas at Towednack during the 1600s can be comfortably placed with the families of James and wife Blanch or Thomas and Katherine. And that now brings me to the possibility of the younger James and wife Blanch being parents of Christopher.
In 1699 James Trewheela of Scilly left a Will which was proved in 1700. This James was obviously a Towednack Trewhella given the property mentioned and the bequests made in his Will.
James named William Trewhella and John Trewhella as brothers and he named Phillis wife of Lambert Martin, Ann wife of Nicholas Briant and Thomasin widow of John Penhellerick who are all presumed to have been sisters. Ann (wife of Nicholas Briant) was baptised at Towednack in 1644 to James Trewheela whose father was James Trewhella the Churchwarden of Towednack.
Others mentioned were Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Trewhella, William son of Martin Trewhella, James son of William Trewhella, Elizabeth daughter of William Trewhella, William Kalensoe living in Penzance and the poor of the Parishes of St Erth and Towednack.
One of the bequests to his brother William involved a Bond in the 'Custody of Matthew Trewhella'.
He also gave Matthew Trewhella 'all my part of the Commons being knowne or called by the name of the Lady Downs'.
Quite a bit is implied in this Will but only William and John were actually named as brothers.
All those mentioned in the Will appear to have been of the same generation as James or younger. William Kelensowe would have been the eldest son of his sister Katherine. Thomas, Matthew and Martin I believe were all sons of James' brother Thomas (husband of Katherine Buswin) who died in 1685.
The point is that there is no mention of Christopher Trewhella which would seem to eliminate the 2nd option from the list above. And aside from that it would appear that the younger James was probably not married until the early 1640s in any case.
Based on that 'reasoning' (?) I would suggest the most probable scenario would be that Christopher Trewhella of Helston was a younger child of James Trewhella the Churchwarden and probably born in the early 1630s.
CT
For years I have been trying to identify where Christopher Trewhella of Helston really belongs. Christopher was one of those who witnessed the Will of Christopher Cock of Helston in 1678 and it is apparent from that Will that he had married one of the daughters of Christopher Cock. That daughter was the only child of Christopher Cock not actually named in his Will so it is assumed that she had pre-deceased her father.
The key bequests in the Will of Christopher Cock, at least as far as identifying Christopher Trewhella is concerned, are these:-
Item I give and bequeath Unto my Grandson Charles Trewheela twelve pence Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandsons Thomas Trewheela Mathew Trewheela and David Trewheela the sume of five pounds A peece
Christopher Cock had been married in 1626 at Helston and his first child baptised in that Parish later that same year and he had two sons, both named Thomas, baptised at St Ives in 1636 and 1638. No burial has been found for the first of these sons but the availability and state of repair of existing records suggests evidence of that event is probably lost.
As well as daughter Jane (1626) and the two sons just mentioned there were four other children named in this Will as well as grandchildren belong to each. And then there is the unnamed daughter and wife of, presumably, Christopher Trewhella for a total of eight children between the years 1626 and at least 1638.
Christopher Cock's first bequest was to his wife Jane followed by his two sons Christopher and Thomas who appear to have been named in order. He then named his surviving married daughters again presumably in order of their birth - Jane King, Margery Nennis and Ann Hampton. After this were the children of his two sons and then the Trewhella grandchildren, Hampton grandchildren and Nennis grandchildren.
The Nennis grandchildren and 'grandson Matthew Trenwith' were named together and each given 'twelve pence apeece' and the final bequest to grandchilren was to grandsons Christopher and John May each given
'fiftie shillings'.
These last two bequests give me cause to rethink things a little because it was always assumed that eldest daughter Jane married three times - Mathew Trenwith followed by the father of the two May children and then to someone named King. But the way these last bequests are written seems a little at odds with that. On the other hand it does appear that Margery Nennis and her husband David both lived past 1700.
The final bequests were two 'my cossen William Cock' and then to his unmarried daughter Mary Cock who was named Executrix.
Nevertheless, the point of this is to try and create a rough timeline for Christopher Trewhella!
From the order of bequests we know that Christopher was the elder of the two sons of Christopher Cock and we know that Thomas was baptised in 1638. We also know that daughter Jane was the eldest child followed by Margery and then Ann but the placement of Mary and of the daughter who married Christopher Trewhella is a little less certain .............
It is possible one or perhaps two children may have been born after Thomas in 1638 but it is equally possible he was the last child. I think the most likely scenario is that daughters Margery, Ann and the unnamed wife of Christopher Trewhella were all probably born during the 1630s with Margery and Ann both known to have married in 1661 at Perrnuthnoe and St Erth respectively.
And now to Christopher Trewhella ..............
The 1688 Court Roll document for Amyll an Trylle, Towednack was signed by, amongst others, Christopher Trewhella. Apart from the Christopher associated with Christopher Cock and Helston the earliest of that name was not baptised until 1702 at Towednack which suggests it is likely this is where Christopher originated.
Of the Trewhellas at Towednack there are arguably four possibilities for a link to Christopher:-
1. son of James Trewhella the Churchwarden
2. grandson of the above via his son James
3. son of Thomas Trewhella (son of 1.) and Katherine Buswin who married at St Erth in 1651
4. son of Matthew Trewhella whose existence is known only by a single document record - the 1641 Protestation Return for Towednack.
Christopher Trewhella did name sons Thomas and Matthew which might suggest possible links to nos 3. and 4. in the list. But equally Thomas and Matthew also appear to have been both sons of James Trewhella the Churchwarden.
Now, we know that Christopher Trewhella's wife was probably born during the 1630s with a lesser possibility of being born in the early 1640s. And we know the names of Christopher Cock's Trewhella grandchildren were Charles, Thomas, Matthew and David.
Charles Trewhella is most likely the Charles who married Margery Luke at Camborne in 1686 which means he was probably born no later than 1666 and possibly as early as the later 1650s. HOWEVER!!!! - The Restoration of the Monarchy brought CHARLES II to the throne in England so the first child of Christopher Trewhella was probably named for him. That would place the birth of Charles Trewhella at no earlier than 1660.
If his wife were born in the 1630s and first son born potentially in 1660 or 1661 then it is probably that Christopher Trewhella himself was born in the late 1620s or early 1630s he therefore cannot have been a son of Thomas and Katherine.
I also think it unlikely that Matthew Trewhella of the 1641 Protestation Return was Christopher's father given the lack of any further record of him. All the Trewhellas at Towednack during the 1600s can be comfortably placed with the families of James and wife Blanch or Thomas and Katherine. And that now brings me to the possibility of the younger James and wife Blanch being parents of Christopher.
In 1699 James Trewheela of Scilly left a Will which was proved in 1700. This James was obviously a Towednack Trewhella given the property mentioned and the bequests made in his Will.
James named William Trewhella and John Trewhella as brothers and he named Phillis wife of Lambert Martin, Ann wife of Nicholas Briant and Thomasin widow of John Penhellerick who are all presumed to have been sisters. Ann (wife of Nicholas Briant) was baptised at Towednack in 1644 to James Trewheela whose father was James Trewhella the Churchwarden of Towednack.
Others mentioned were Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Trewhella, William son of Martin Trewhella, James son of William Trewhella, Elizabeth daughter of William Trewhella, William Kalensoe living in Penzance and the poor of the Parishes of St Erth and Towednack.
One of the bequests to his brother William involved a Bond in the 'Custody of Matthew Trewhella'.
He also gave Matthew Trewhella 'all my part of the Commons being knowne or called by the name of the Lady Downs'.
Quite a bit is implied in this Will but only William and John were actually named as brothers.
All those mentioned in the Will appear to have been of the same generation as James or younger. William Kelensowe would have been the eldest son of his sister Katherine. Thomas, Matthew and Martin I believe were all sons of James' brother Thomas (husband of Katherine Buswin) who died in 1685.
The point is that there is no mention of Christopher Trewhella which would seem to eliminate the 2nd option from the list above. And aside from that it would appear that the younger James was probably not married until the early 1640s in any case.
Based on that 'reasoning' (?) I would suggest the most probable scenario would be that Christopher Trewhella of Helston was a younger child of James Trewhella the Churchwarden and probably born in the early 1630s.
CT