A thorny one... William Bramble----

[Mal]

Hello everyone, see my motto below! ;D

I have just subscribed to a new service and have been able to tidy up a lot of 19th century material. Plus, one brickwall has come down only to reveal a mystery.... Need some help!

John Bramble born 1792 Lying in Hospital, Marylebone- turns up later in Penzance. For a good while I have had the feeling he was connected to the Penzance Brambles and I think I have been proven so. The Non-Parochial birth record gives him as being the son of
William Bramble and Elizabeth- parish of abode MADRON! Zap! Gotcha!
I also have sister Anne Bramble born 1788- this time parish of abode Burryan (sic). Later I have William Bramble born 1793- this time parish of abode is given as Marylebone however I am sure it's right because everything else fits including the mother's age.
William Bramble senior was a cordwainer, as was John Bramble. William Bramble junior seems to have stayed in London and is on the 1851 census as... guess what.. a cordwaner. The family then vanish from the census records, London, Cornwall, can't find them? Emmigrated perhaps?

John Bramble marries Elizabeth Wilson in 1814 at Madron. I also have an Anne Bramble who marries Benjamin Hawke at Madron in 1814- I am pretty sure this is the sister. Strangely, I can't find Benjamin Hawke and Anne on any census! Perhaps they emmigrated too?

Now, back to William Senior and Elizabeth.
I have a William Bramble born 1761, Madron- but the problem is he appears to marry Jane Paul, and I can find no record of a William Bramble and Elizabeth. Help?

Did Jane Bramble die? Did William Bramble elope? Does that perhaps explain why he turns up in London? Have I even got the right William Bramble here, and what is the connection with Burryan?

Any thoughts/help, would be appreciated as ever!

Thanks in advance,
M

[donne]

Death of Jane Bramble. This came from the Cornwall OPC website - any connection to your lot?

Burials - Details of record ID 309689:
Parish:Madron
Date:09-Mar 1801
Name:Jane BRAMBLE

The same source also produces a marriage between a widowed William BRAMBLE and Mary WILLIAMS (both of Penzance) in Madron with Penzance, 18-Mar 1803, and also shows the William BRAMBLE/ Jane PAUL marriage you quote in Madron with Penzance, 22 Aug 1780. There is a William BRAMBLE burial as well, 5 Jan 1803 in Madron which is a further confusion!

[Mal]

Hmmm. There were other Brambles in Penzance, who I am now beginning to realise, were most probably relatives and I also have a marriage crossover between the Bramble family and the Wilson family which seems to be too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence. They also seem to have been shoemakers, the lot of them and this trade remains in the family throughout the 19th century. There is also the name "Sampson" which turns up out of the blue in the the later Davies family (twice) and this is also to be found in the Bramble lines. The problem is, just like the plant, they grow everywhere and are all intertwined so it's a thorny issue to sort them out!

I need to see if there is a burial for a Jane Bramble before about 1788 at the latest. We have our William Bramble and his wife Elizabeth b1764 in London with parishes of abode recorded variably as Madron and Buryan.

Two of the children namely Anne and John re-appear at a quite young age, marrying in the same year at Penzance/Madron- 1814.

One, the younger William, appears to stay in London as a cordwainer until 1861 when he and his family "vanish" from the records.

Did William Bramble senior die and the family come back to Cornwall? Will have to look into this more...