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Post by rowena on Sept 27, 2009 21:52:20 GMT -5
Hi Folks
There are 3 births and deaths I've not been able to account for with the following family, who emigrated to Australia on the SUFFOLK, docking Melbourne, Victoria Dec 1865. These 3 children are listed on the mother's death record, and the information was provided by son Edwin. It may or may not be correct, but I would like to try and account for them, so any help to clarify would be fantastic.
Some background:
William Pascoe b.1811, Madron (parents William Pascoe & Jane Trenwith, & Pascoe descended from Breage, Sithney, Helston line) and Emma James Gluyas b.1817 Marazion (parents Oliver Gluyas and Amelia James). William & Emma married 23 July 1837, Lewins Mead, Bristol. He was a tailor and draper, she was a milliner. All of their sons became tailors.
Their children were:
i. WILLIAM8 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. June 1838, Penzance, Cornwall
ii. THOMAS3 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 1839, Marazion, Cornwall
iii. JOHN5 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. March 1841 and died 1844, Marazion.
iv. EMMA GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 1842 Marazion.
v. AMELIA GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 1844, Marazion.
vi. JOHN6 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 1845, Marazion.
vii. MARY5 GLUYAS PASCOE, b, 26 Jan 1847, Marazion.
viii.JANE2 GLUYAS, bp. 1848, St Just in Penwith, and d. 1848, Penzance, Cornwall
ix. JANE3 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 1849, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall
x. EDWIN GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 1851, Marazion
xi. EDWARD4 GLUYAS PASCOE, born circa.1852 and died c.1861
xii. EDWARD5 GLUYAS PASCOE, born c.1852 and died c.1861
xii. FRANCIS GLUYAS PASCOE, born c.1852 and died c.1861
xiii. CHARLES1 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 6 Apr 1857, and d. Sep Qtr 1857 Redruth
xiv. CHARLES2 GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 29 Mar 1858, and d. Mar Qtr 1859 Redruth
xv. FANNY GLUYAS PASCOE, bp. 3 Apr 1862, Ludgvan, Cornwall
So, I'm hoping to find something on the children born between Edwin and Charles. There may or may not be 2 Edward's. Having searched the FreeBMD, I found:
1. Edward Pascoe, birth reg. Truro, June Qtr 1852
1. Edward John, Redruth, Dec Qtr 1852
2. Edward Pascoe, Sep Qtr Redruth, 1854.
3. same again
4. Edward Pascoe St Austell, Mar Qtr 1855
And for Francis:
1. Francis PASCO, Truro, Mar Qtr 1855
2. Francis Pascoe, Falmouth, Dec Q. 1853
3. Francis William Pascoe, Penzance, Dec Q. 1855
Many thanks for any help available on this query.
Kind regards,
Rowena
in Melbourne
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 28, 2009 4:01:58 GMT -5
You're testing us out here Rowena!  How about this from IGI:- Fanny Gluyas Pascoe bp. 28th February 1856 South Chelsea, St Luke, Chelsea, London Father - William Pascoe Mother - Emma James Glayas Note - died 1856 There is no Batch Number or other Source information with this record. But I think you will find it is a correct entry based on this from FreeBMD:- Births Jun 1856 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PASCOE Fanny Glugas Chelsea 1a 120 Pascoe Fanny Glugas Chelsea 1a 12_ I cannot find a death record but it is possible that the child died on the same day or soon after. But then it is not unusual for entries to be missing from St Catherine's House Indexes and I have found this on several occasions. But that takes care of one of your mystery children.  CT |
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Post by donne on Sept 28, 2009 5:00:17 GMT -5
How about this for Fanny's death, from the FreeBMD transcription:
Deaths Sep 1856 (>99%)
PASCOE Fanny *y* Chelsea 1a 88
If you look at the original, the second given name which the transcriber couldn't read looks very much like Gluyas.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 28, 2009 6:41:29 GMT -5
Well done Roger - I must say that I only briefly searched for a death and was searching for 'Fanny G' so had not considered the possibility of poor handwriting.
I was unable to find anything for Edward though but doubt that any of those Rowena has listed would be likely.
The main reason is that it would be just too unusual given every other child in the family appears to have had Gluyas as a second name.
CT
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Post by rowena on Sept 28, 2009 9:59:43 GMT -5
This is fantastic - thank you so much. Well it looks like Francis is Fanny. Although I'd tried the female spelling, I just wasn't thinking to shorten the name. Fresh eyes always helps so much
Perhaps the son/sons Edward were stillborn babies. I don't know what the protocol is there, but I'm aware of another 2 families where the babies are listed on the parents death records, but no birth or death record can be found. I've thought that the parents have held onto their memory of them.
Many Thanks,
Rowena
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Post by rowena on Sept 28, 2009 20:18:43 GMT -5
Thanks for your help.
I've since gone into the IGI and found a number of other baptisms. My only concern is that all the Marazion baptisms are 'member submitted since 1991'. I presume they are a higher quality than a lot of the earlier ones, where for instance, my GG grandfather is married to his daughter-in-law, and my other GG grandfather is married to his mother...
I'll try to have them confirmed with the Marazion OPC.
Here is the updated list of children for Emma James Gluyas and William Pascoe:
i. WILLIAM GLUYAS PASCOE, Born June Qtr, Penzance Reg Dist, bapt. 3 May 1838, Marazion, Cornwall
ii. THOMAS GLUYAS PASCOE, born Dec Qtr 1839, Marazion, bapt. 8 March 1840, Marazion
iii. JOHN GLUYAS PASCOE, b. March Qtr 1841, bapt. 6 Jun 1841, Marazion and died Sep Qtr 1orn44, 22 Sep 1844 (IGI), Marazion.
iv. EMMA GLUYAS PASCOE, born Sep Qtr 1842, bapt. 20 Nov 1842, Marazion.
v. AMELIA GLUYAS PASCOE, born Mar Qtr 1844, bapt. 21 July 1844, Marazion.
vi. JOHN GLUYAS PASCOE, bapt. 27 July 1845, Marazion.
vii. MARY GLUYAS PASCOE, born, 26 Jan 1847, bapt. 18 April 1847, Marazion.
viii. JANE GLUYAS, born Sep Qtr 1848, St Just in Penwith, and d. Dec Qtr 1848, Penzance, Cornwall
ix. JANE GLUYAS PASCOE, born Dec Qtr 1849, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall
x. EDWIN GLUYAS PASCOE, born Dec Qtr 1851, Marazion, Bapt. 15 Feb 1852, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.
xi. EDWARD GLUYAS PASCOE, born circa.1852 and died c.1852 (listed on parents death records)
xii. EDWARD GLUYAS PASCOE, born c.1854 and died c.1854 (listed on parents death records)
xii. FANNY GLUYAS PASCOE, b. June Qtr1856, bapt. 28 Feb 1856, at St Luke, South Chelsea, London, and died Sep Qtr 1856, Chelsea, London
xiii. CHARLES GLUYAS PASCOE, b. 6 Apr 1857, and d. Sep Qtr 1857 Redruth
xiv. CHARLES GLUYAS PASCOE, b. 29 Mar 1858, and d. Mar Qtr 1859 Redruth
xv. FANNY GLUYAS PASCOE, born 3 Apr 1862, bapt. 15 April 1863, Ludgvan, Cornwall.
If anyone is interested in this family, I've traced their movements in Australia, New Zealand, and to some extent USA. All the sons were heavily involved in the developemnt of the clothing manufacturing business in Australia and New Zealand. One filed for bankruptcy in Sydney, soon after disappearing to the USA, where many children were born in many different states. I do wonder if he was a really poor businessman, and kept getting into trouble, or just had the 'wanderlust'.
Kind regards,
Rowena, in Melbourne
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2009 2:39:43 GMT -5
Rowena - I have a lot of Marazion BDM information here so will take a look through it tonight and let you know the results.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2009 5:53:40 GMT -5
Rowena - here is what I have found. Marazion PR Transcript (available from 1841 only) John Gluyas Pascoe son of William (tailor) and Emma of Marazion baptised 6th June 1841 Emma Gluyas Pascoe daughter of William (tailor) and Emma of Marazion baptised 20th November 1842 Amelia Gluyas Pascoe daughter of William (tailor) and Emma of Marazion baptised 21st July 1844 John Gluyas Pascoe son of William (tailor) and Emma of Marazion baptised 27th July 1845 Mary Gluyas ROWE daughter of William (tailor) and Emma of Marazion baptised 18th April 1847 Burials John Gluyas PELLOW/PHILLIPS? of Marazion age 3 buried 22nd September 1844 (It is obvious that the OPC had difficulty reading the surname but this is undoubtedly your John Gluyas PASCOE.) I actually found him by searching for Gluyas. From the OPC Website:- Edwin Gluyas Pascoe son of William (miner) and Emma of Church Town baptised 15th February 1852 St Just in Penwith From here I need to look at IGI The only Jane is:- Jane Gluyas Pascoe born 1849 Penzance Parents - William Pascoe and Emma James Gluyas (Unsourced and no further information) William Gluyas Pascoe bp. 3rd May 1838 Marazion Parents - William Pascoe and Emma James Gluyas (Again unsourced) Thomas Gluyas Pascoe bp. 8th March 1840 Marazion Parents - William Pascoe and Emma James Gluyas (Same as above) That's the lot! CT |
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Post by rowena on Sept 29, 2009 8:06:51 GMT -5
Thank you CT.
Very thorough yet again. I'll enter this information now that it has been verified, and email my cousin many times removed who is a direct descendant. She'll be thrilled. I found her and this family trying to solve the mystery of the disappearing oldest half-brothers of my GG grandfather. It was all by chance as usual, and through odd connections and old notes, the white pages and google, and an OPC's extraordinary memory. Amazing the contacts you can make. Must admit the solving of these mystery's is pretty obsessive. It's great to feel that this is has some kind of solid conclusion.
Many thanks, once again. I'm thinking you're not a 2 finger typist...
Cheers,
Rowena
in Melbourne
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2009 8:53:16 GMT -5
My pleasure Rowena. You are right about the typing. I started work as a Telegraphist up behind the GPO in Melbourne in 1972 and part of that involved learning to touch-type so I do have a bit of experience with the keyboard.  CT PS - don't go away, I am sure you will have other queries or connections we might be able to help with. |
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