HOSKING & SHUGG in Lelant

[chrisu]

I've had a query I'm hoping someone can help with:

Rowena is trying to confirm a couple of early baptisms.

Blanche Hosking bpt. 25 Oct 1776, Uny-Lelant, and

Dorcas Hosking bpt. 22 October 1789 Lelant or St Ives

She believes both of these women were married to Thomas Jervis SHUGG in St Ives, Blanche in 1809 and Dorcas in 1826, in St Ives and she is trying to confirm the baptisms and the relationship between them, possibly sisters.

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I found According to the IGI Batch # C022562:

Blanche HOSKING bpt. 25 Oct 1776, Uny-Lelant was d/o John & Margaret
Dorcas hOSKING bpt. 22 October 1789, Uny Lelant was also d/o John & Margaret

So it looks as though they are sisters. Not unusual for a sister to marry a brother-in-law at that time.

But according to the IGI: Blanch Hosking married Thomas SHUGG of St Ives 07 MAY 1809 and I can’t locate another marriage for Thomas SHUGG in the period mentioned.

Any comments?

[londoner]

Thomas Jarvis (or Jervis) Shugg s/o Thomas & Judith bap St Ives 1787 appears to be the only one of that name.

Blanche was buried 22 Jun 1820 age 43

Thomas & Blanche had 5 Children bap in St Ives:
Blanche 1810
John 1811
Eliza 1815
Blanche 1816
Thomas 1816

Thomas & Ann ( dont know who she was ) had one, Ann, in 1826

Thomas & Dorcas had 4
Catherine 1826
John 1827
Dorcas 1830
Matilda 1832
each time Thomas is described as mason so quite possibly the same person.

Dont know if this helps?
do any of the names(other than Blanch, Dorcas & John) above occur in the Hosking family? But no Margaret or Judith which you might expect.

[chrisu]

I'm sure it will Londoner - thanks for the effort.

Chris

[Cornish Terrier]

Thomas Jervis SHUGG (aka Thomas SHUGG) was certainly married twice.

From Phillimore he first married Blanch HOSKING at St Ives 7th May 1809.

Blanch, as has been mentioned, was buried at St Ives 22nd June 1820 age 43.

I had not yet pursued parents for her so will investigate the details provided here.

There were actually six children from this marriage:-

Blanch bp. 11th March 1810 St Ives and buried 9th October 1815 St Ives age 6
John bp. 20th Decmeber 1811 St Ives
Judith bp. 18th June 1813 St Ives
Eliza bp. 10th March 1815 St Ives m. Joseph WILLIAMS in 1840
Blanch bp. 20th October 1816 St Ives m. Ephraim MAJOR in 1838
Thomas bp. 11th October 1818 St Ives m. Elizabeth BRYANT in 1843

Thomas SHUGG was then married to Dorcas (?) but I am yet to find that particular marriage so, until now, had no idea of a possible surname for Dorcas.

From this second marriage there were five children:-

Ann bp. 29th May 1825 St Ives m. George PENGILLY in 1853
(mother's name incorrectly recorded as Ann)
John bp. 2nd February 1827 St Ives m. Elizabeth THOMAS in 1851
Catherine bp. 7th December 1828 St Ives m. Edwin William DUMBLE in 1850
Dorcas bp. 23rd October 1830 St Ives and buried 6th May 1834 at St Ives age 4
Matilda bp. 14th September 1832 St Ives m. William THOMAS in 1853

According to the 1851 Census Dorcas was age 61 and born Lelant.
According to the 1861 Census she was born at St Ives.

So it is quite possible that Blanch and Dorcas were sisters and the age details match with children of John and Margaret HOSKING of Lelant.

But I have a problem with this Hosking family and I would be interested in any further details Rowena might be able to provide.

There were two marriages with an overlap of children:-

John HOSKING, tinner, married Margaret ASH 22nd November 1760 at Lelant

John HOSKING, mariner, married Margaret JENKIN 24th July 1773 at Lelant

I would like to get these families sorted out if possible.

Will check some of my details and post what I have in a following note.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Some BTW informaton.

Thomas Jervis SHUGG married Judith QUICK 24th February 1781 at Redruth

Thomas Jervis SHUGG s/o William and Mary of Mylor was baptised 25th October 1758 at Mylor

William SHUGG of Mylor married Mary HOSKIN 1st December 1757 at St Ives

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

My HOSKING Dilemma!

As per my earlier note there are two families at Lelant around the same time where the parents are John and Margaret HOSKING.

I have a total of 23 children from these two marriages with baptisms occurring at Lelant, Towednack and St Ives.

I will set out the total list as a timeline with the marriages placed in the appropriate place.

Using what might be 'dodgy logic' I will assign the Towednack baptisms to the first family based purely on the fact that their first child was baptised in that Parish.

Obviously any children baptised prior to 1773 must belong to the first marriage but after that date I will place the mother's surname beside each child to indicate which family I think each belongs to.

John HOSKING, tinner married Margaret ASH 22nd November 1760 at Lelant

Catherine bp. 16th May 1761 Towednack
John bp. 2nd March 1765 Lelant
Margaret bp. 14th September 1766 Lelant
John bp. 23rd May 1768 St Ives
James bp. 5th November 1769 Lelant
Thomas bp. 12th April 1772 Lelant

John HOSKING, mariner married Margaret JENKIN 24th July 1773 at Lelant

Margaret bp. 13th March 1774 Lelant - JENKIN
Richard bp. 29th June 1774 St Ives 'of Lelant' - ASH
William bp. 30th April 1775 Lelant -
Blanch bp. 20th October 1776 Lelant - JENKIN
William bp. 29th December 1776 Towednack 'from Lelant' - ASH
Jane bp. 16th November 1777 Lelant - JENKIN
John bp. 4th May 1778 Towednack - ASH
John bp. 15th October 1780 Lelant -
Henry bp. 11th August 1782 Lelant -
William bp. 25th April 1784 Lelant - JENKIN
Margaret bp. 23rd May 1784 Towednack 'from Lelant' - ASH
Phillis bp. 23rd May 1784 Towednack 'from Lelant' - ASH
William bp. 23rd May 1784 Towednack 'from Lelant' - ASH
Catherine bp. 8th January 1786 Lelant -
Dorcas bp. 27th December 1789 Lelant -
Mary bp. 13th May 1792 Lelant (father a pauper) -
Richard bp. 11th November 1792 Lelant (father a pauper) -

Those children that I am totally unsure of at the moment have been assigned for the mother.

Now I have checked and can find no other marriage for a John HOSKING to Margaret anywhere near the time where it would have any impact on the above families so I must conclude (at least for now) that we are, in fact, dealing with two families only.

A further note:- Margaret ASH

I can find two possible candidates for Margaret Ash:-

bp. 4th June 1734 Sithney d/o John
bp. 17th August 1740 Breage d/o James and Margaret

My opinion is that the Margaret Ash who married John Hosking in 1760 is most likely the daughter of James and Margaret baptised at Breage in 1740.

Finally - If we assume that Blanch and Dorcas (wives of Thomas Jervis SHUGG) were sisters then obviously Dorcas must be the daughter of Margaret JENKIN.

If Rowena is able to help some of this lot out I would be most appreciative.

CT

PS - just one more 'final'.

I am going to assume for the moment that the last three children baptised together at Towednack were the last children of Margaret ASH.

This would then mean that the last four children in the list belong to Margaret JENKIN.

Be nice to find some burials for some of these!

FYI - I have decided to assign all those with mother to Margaret JENKIN.

The chronology now looks reasonably good for both families although I am sure there are inaccuracies.

However this will suffice until further information becomes available.