Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 16:42:59 GMT -5
Checking through the numerous sites and other family trees, I have located: Uter Thomas Furze Uter Williams Furze Mathew Thomas Furze Mathew Williams Furze The marriages of the above have the same wives names? And in one case the same birth date?  I know for a fact my grandfather was Mathew (Matthew) Williams Furze, he got his middle name from his mothers maiden name, Elizabeth Jane Williams. (source: Family Bible) Maybe you could shed a little light on this? It makes research exciting, but frustrating! Thank you  'Cousin Jack' |
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 27, 2009 16:54:44 GMT -5
Matthew Thomas Furze bp. 30th March 1834 at Sancreed son of Uter and Mary Furze of Boswharton.
He married Grace Warren 4th February 1855 at Sancreed.
Matthew Williams Furze bp. 17th February 1839 at St Just son of Matthew and Ann (nee Angwin) Furze
I have not traced this Matthew any further as yet.
Seems to me your Matthew Williams Furze came along a little later and I do not yet have him in my database.
I do however have his parents and some of his siblings.
I currently do not have Uter Thomas Furze or Uter Williams Furze in my database so will need to check on them a little later.
CT
|
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 28, 2009 4:05:46 GMT -5
A couple of odds and ends as I try to piece more of the family togeth in order to answer your query.  The OPC records the marriage of John HOCKING and SARAH Furze at St Levan in 1861. Sarah is recorded as daughter of Uter Furze. However there is no daughter named Sarah baptised to Uter and no Sarah appears in FreeBMD. I have checked the marriage record in FreeBMD and it is actually SUSAN d/o Uter who was married. (She was baptised in 1835). You will also find John and Susan Hocking at Pemberth, St Levan in the 1861 Census - just a short time after they were married. I have sent an Error Report to the OPC about this. Another one from the OPC is the following burial:- Matthew William Furse of Church Town age 1 buried 24th March 1864 at St Just This was the first child of John Furze and Harriet Oliver who married at St Just in 1863. (John was son of Matthew and Ann). Although the burial says his age was 1 year I believe it was probably 1 month. The child was baptised as William Matthew but appears in FreeBMD as Matthew Williams Furze born December Qtr 1863 and died March Qtr 1864 Penzance R.D. CT |
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 28, 2009 5:56:41 GMT -5
Cousin Jack - could you supply a few more details for what you have found from these 'other family trees' regarding your confusion?
I have just worked my way through the families of the Land's End area and, apart from the few marriages posted the other night, can probably explain just about all the Furze people of that area for you.
I have not found a baptism for 'your' Mathew Williams Furze but I think he was the one born in 1873??
His birth was recorded simply as 'Matthew Furze'.
But now for another 'probable' addition for you.
William FURZE married Mary CARNE June Qtr 1856 Penzance R.D.
I found William and Mary in the 1861 Census and it is quite interesting.
William stated his age as 65 and his birthplace as Sancreed. (Mary was 45 and born St Buryan).
I can find no baptism anywhere for William however I believe he is almost certainly another son of John and Constance.
They do have a gap of five years from 1793 to 1798 with no children and I suspect this is where William belongs.
William was buried at St Buryan 12th September 1868 age 72 of Union Workhouse.
Mary was buried at St Buryan 23rd November 1866 age 52 of Church Town.
William and Mary had only one child - John Thomas Furze baptised 1st April 1857 at St Buryan s/o William and Mary of Church Town.
John married Jane Trembath Prowse in 1880 and had 11 children all born at St Buryan.
CT
|
|
|
|
Post by tonymitch on Aug 28, 2009 12:04:56 GMT -5
C.T.....you aren't the only one to be confused. Matthew Furze (bap1873) married Anne Angwin in 1896 in Nevadaville Colorado. They had several children and one was named Matthew (b 1907) Now it was either Matthew senior or the little one who carried the middle name of Williams. This from Elizabeth Williams (mother or g-mother depending upon which Matthew you choose) The Matthew Furze (1839) you identify is a complete mystery man to me. Matthew's father William however was born 1839. Tony M |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2009 12:55:04 GMT -5
CT - For your information:
Matthew Furze B: 3-1-1873, St. Just; D: 7-16-1920, Lead, South Dakota, USA.
Annie Jane (Angwin) B: 8-9-1877, St. Just; D: 3-6-1946, Lead
Grandma and Grandpa were married on 3-20-1896, Nevadaville, Colorado.
They had 9 children, son Philip B: 26 Dec 1909 - D: 22 Aug 2000, was my Father.
My records show Uter & Mary had a son Mathew Thomas Furze B:1834, a son William B: 11 Jan
1839 - This is my great grandfather he married Elizabeth Jane Williams. Uter & Mary also had a
dau. named Susan (could be a nickname for Sarah).
post note: We have no Thomas's or Ann's in our family, everyone is named Matt, Rebecca,
Philip, John, James, Richard or Annie, with a Jessie, Phyllis, and Marjorie thrown in for good luck :-)
Cousin Jack
|
|
|
|
Post by tonymitch on Aug 28, 2009 14:34:29 GMT -5
Just a suggestion but....could Matthew Thomas Furze (1834) who married Ann Angwin in Nevadaville have carried the name 'Thomas' from his maternal grandmother Mary Thomas who married John Tonkin?  We now have a problem Baptism....17-Feb 1839 Just in Penwith, St. Matthew Williams FURZE: Father Matthew; Mother Ann: Father's occupation, Smith: Residence Bojewyan. And marriages....24-Dec 1837 Paul....Mathew FURSE and Ann ANGWIN witnessd by WILLIAMS / PENTREATH. Could this be 'Uncle' Matthew (b1814)? I have no other information on him in my data base, but to reinforce my suggestion, look at the witnesses 'Williams'. This Matthew's mother was good old Constance Williams.  This Matthew's residence is given as Newlyn aged 24 (fits with 1814) and Ann's residence is also Newlyn with an age of 22. Her father is listed as James CARNE. Mathew's occupation...Blacksmith So, Matthew the blacksmith marries Ann Angwin and they have a son Matthew. Meanwhile William, Matthew the blacksmith's brother, has a son Matthew who emigrates and marries another Ann Angwin.  This Matthew (or perhaps his son Matthew, I'm sure Cousin Jack will enlighten us) are given the middle name of Williams from Elizabeth Williams who married William, but don't forget we have good old Constance Williams emigrant Matthew's g-g-mother. Marriages 23-Jul 1836 at Paul.... Martin ANGWIN marries Ann CARNE Burials 05-Aug 1836 at Paul... Martin ANGWIN Poor old Ann, married for only one week.  And let us not forget CT's discovery of yet another William who marries Mary CARNE. This Mary would have been 21 at te time of Ann and Matthew's wedding. Sister maybe, but first we will have to find William |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2009 17:02:14 GMT -5
On the Angwin side: Henry B: 1489 ... Son Martyn B: 1518 Bojewyan, M: Cicely Lanyon 1540
D: 1594. Martin son of Martyn B:1542 Bojewyan, M: Jedua or Jullian 1564, D: 1639 St. Just. His
son Henry B: 1566, M: Jane Respinall/Respanel 1592, D: 1615 St. Just. Son Bennett 1610 ? -
1665, son Josias 1645 - 1711/12, son Justus 1687/8, son Charles 1750 - 1816
(married to Elizabeth Warren/Werren) son Charles 1823 married Nanny Rowe, son James 1854
- 1894 (Nevadaville, CO) married Annie Eddy dau of Peter Eddy. James & Annie were the
parents of my grandmother Annie Jane who married Matthew Furze.
Note of interest: Peter Eddy had a son named William who married great aunt Elizabeth Furze,
sister of my grandfather Matthew and Tony's grandmother Margaret. Her granddaughter lives in
Queanbeyan, NSW, AU.
Uter, William and Matthew (Mathew) were all tin miners according the Furze Family Bible. Some
of the dates are difficult to read and the binding is in poor repair - so I base much of my info on
Dad's notes.
|
|
|
|
Post by white on Aug 31, 2009 9:36:25 GMT -5
Angwin and Furze files on its way to you, Roy White |
|
This Matthew (or perhaps his son Matthew, I'm sure Cousin Jack will enlighten us) are given the middle name of Williams from Elizabeth Williams who married William, but don't forget we have good old Constance Williams emigrant Matthew's g-g-mother. 