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Post by jmg on Aug 3, 2009 1:33:51 GMT -5
Cornish Terrier,
A few months ago on the Bryant and Roach of St. Ives site we were debating whether William Davies could be the son of William Davies and Phyllis Rowe. William Davies, soldier and Phyllis Rowe were married in Madron 1801 and a William Davies was born to William Davies and Phyllis, baptism 1802, Isles of Scilly.
I have just been having a look at the Phillimore marriages for the Parish of Paul and found Phyllis Davey (w) marrying John Sampson on 21/4/1812. They had children John 1813, Henry 1815 and Martin 1817. I have not been able to find a death for William Davies. I also could not find any other Davey/Davies males marrying a Phyllis. I also could not find any other children born to William and Phyllis.
William Davis/Davies who married Mary Gendall states in the 1841 census he is 40. In the 1851 census he is 50. The 1861 census he is 62. He died in 1870 aged 70. Malcolm and I are still trying to find who William Davis/Davies’ parents were.
I would appreciate your thoughts or any ideas where I could look next.
Thanks.
Jenny
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2009 2:44:47 GMT -5
Hi Jenny - I think that baptism did come up in discussion at one time.
I don't know that it was totally dismissed as a possibility but William's age in the Census consistently indicates a birth around 1799 or 1800.
If William had named a daughter Phyllis it might have been a little more simple but from what I have his only daughters were Eliza and Mary Jane.
The one possibly glaring clue is that he had two sons whom he named EDWIN (Edwyn).
They were the last two known children but it would certainly be worth pursuing any possible connections with the name Edwyn and the Davies and Rowe families.
Best I can think of at the moment.
CT
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Post by Mal on Aug 3, 2009 4:31:07 GMT -5
Couldn't resist this one... William Davies and Phillis Rowe pop up time and again, William Davies 1799-1870 Children Eliza died aged 15 1841 Mary Jane died aged 6 1843 William went to Aus married Mary Bryant Thomas Henry lived to a ripe old age... John married Ellen Bramble (my line) Edwin 1 present on 1841 census no death/burial record found yet but... see below Edwin 2 died 1844 aged 16 months- two Edwins?  ? The problem with census details is they give us 10 year snapshots. On a later Davies line I have found a child that died and was missed by the census! The burial record gives the address, Charles Davies of Queen Street- the only Davies family living there were mine!!! Could be wrong but not unreasonable conclusion.... Getting back to William We have Eliza and Mary Jane for children, named after William's sisters? What about these Edwins? I hear someone say there were two Edwins... could one perhaps have been William Edwin/Edwin William? Next "problem", if William Davies of Paul (1799-1870) were the child of William and Phillis, why no Phillis Davies? That would be a strong indicator. I have no records of a Phillis amongst any of the Davies' later lines. HOWEVER!!!! Thomas Henry Davies married Eliza Jane Rowe, daughter of ???William Rowe and ???Mary... Eliza Jane Rowe had a sister Philis who was disabled and lived with Thomas Henry and Eliza and occurs on the census. Could this be a connection with the Phillis Rowe who marries William Davies? Tantalising isn't it...? |
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Post by jmg on Aug 4, 2009 0:30:21 GMT -5
Just found John Davy marrying Phillis Roberts 10 August 1805 (in St Just). So there are 2 Davy/Davis marrying a Phyllis/Phillis. What would the odds be?
So now I will have to work on the name Edwin to see if that takes me anywhere.
jmg
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Post by Mal on Aug 4, 2009 4:11:34 GMT -5
I have looked at the name Edwin and it is inconclusive- it seems the name became popular in the early to mid 19th century. What is interesting is the possible Rowe connection- trouble is that Rowes in Penwith are not scarce!!!!!
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Post by Mal on Aug 4, 2009 16:07:35 GMT -5
Stumbled across this...
Baptism
Just in Penwith, St.
22-Mar 1833
Elizabeth Davies ROWE
dau of
William & Philadelphia
Busvargus
miner
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2009 16:14:31 GMT -5
Afraid I am still lacking for answers.  But the name Phillis has been mentioned a couple of times so I may as well jump on the bandwagon.  There was also a Christopher Davis with a wife named PHILLIS who baptised a child at Paul in 1797.  Malcolm also made a comment about daughters Eliza and Mary Jane possibly being named after William's sisters. I should think Mary Jane is, at least in part, named after her mother. Eliza on the other hand I would have thought to be more likely named after William's mother. |
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Post by jmg on Aug 9, 2009 23:03:03 GMT -5
I have made a connection with the name Edwin to the Davies/Daveys’.
William Davis who married Mary Gendall named two of their sons Edwin Davis. One born, 1841 and the other born 1843. Malcolm and I are still trying to work out who William Davis’ parents are.
William Davis, sojourner married Elizabeth Renoden in Lelant 29th May 1783. (have not been able to find any children baptized). There is a William Davies born Paul 1750 to William Davies and Mary (most likely Mary Pender). William Davies and Mary Pender married in Paul, 20th Aug 1748. Children for William & Mary (Pender) were William 1750, Jane 1753, Henry 1756, James 1758, Thomas 1763, Joseph 1766 and Mary ?? 1771.
There is a Henry Davy marrying Catherine (Elizabeth’s sister) Renoden in St. Ives in 1783.
James Penberthy married Jane Davey 3rd May 1785 in Lelant. They had children John 1787, Elizabeth 1789, John 1795, James 1797, Edwin 1799 and Josiah 1801. There is a big gap between Elizabeth 1789 and John 1795. William Davies and Mary Pender had a daughter named Jane, baptized 1753 in Paul.
Edwin Penberthy married Jenefer Semmens 6th August 1820 in Ludgvan. Their children were Jane 1821, Edwin 1823, Edwin 1827, Elizabeth Hoskin 1829, James Henry 1835, James Henry 1837 and William Davey 1841.
Edwin Penberthy who was born 1799 named a son William Davey Penberthy and William Davis who was born 1799/1800 named a son Edwin.
Elizabeth Penberthy married William Berryman in Madron 1817. Alexander Berryman was a witness to the marriage of William Davis (son of William Davis and Mary Gendall) who married Mary Bryant in Madron in 1826.
I hope that explaination is not too confusing.
Maybe a long shot worth having a look at.
jmg
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 10, 2009 2:17:49 GMT -5
Hello Jenny - most interesting observations and well worth further investigation.
Perhaps the most interesting item here is:-
For William and Elizabeth there are two possible children at St Ives although I have not looked any further for now.
Elizabeth bp. 25th November 1785 d/o Wm. and Elisabeth DAVY
Elizabeth bp. 17th April 1788 d/o William and Elisabeth DAVY
For Henry and Catherine:-
John bp. 9th July 1783
Thomas bp. 6th February 1786
William Henry bp. 14th June 1789
All the above were baptised at St Ives and I can find none at Lelant or Ludgvan.
There is also no indication of these two couples being at Towednack or Zennor.
So did they move east perhaps into Phillack or did they head in the other direction - perhaps towards Madron/Penzance?
CT
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Post by Mal on Sept 4, 2009 11:20:32 GMT -5
I am confused.... it looks good though. Could we slim down to a hypothesis ?
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