Post by Mal on Jul 28, 2009 5:51:05 GMT -5
Here's one I've stumbled across while working on the Medieval lines I have recently discovered, 14th century
"The Story of the Vivian's by Stanley VIVIAN"
There had been continuing trouble of it physical, in St. Buryan for some time and the Bishop had complained to the King that he was afraid to meddle with St. Buryan "for no one belonging to him dares to go there for fear of death and mutilation". So, in November 1328 Bishop Grandisson came to St. Michael's Mount and there, in the chapel of the Priory, with the Prior Richard Baupre and other clergy standing around him, their stoles put off and their lighted candles in their hands, fulminated a sentence of excommunication against Richard Vyvian, "auctorum fautorem et incentorem multorum malorum et flagitiorum", against his two sons, William and Hugh and all those who had assaulted Baupre in the churchyard of St. Buryan. Then the candles were suddenly extinguished with the words, "as these lights are extinguished in our eyes so may your souls be put out in the presence of God, the Blessed Mary and All Saints and be handed over to the Devil and his angels to be punished with fire, world without end, unless ye repent. Amen".
The next day sixteen of the leading parishioners, including four Boscawens, who had been involved, came to the Bishop to repent. But none of the three Vyvians. Richard died three years later without repenting, and it is recorded in the calendars of the Patent Rolls that on 27th October 1331, only three weeks before his death, he was indicated for carrying away merchandise adjudged to be wreck! He was hardly alone in such a popular Cornish activity.
Three years later Richard's two sons, William and Hugh, were accused of assaulting John de Lanbrun in Helston, but in July 1336, almost seven years after the excommunication, William Vyvian, the heir, was among other penitents absolved by Bishop Grandisson at St. Buryan.
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Rough old lot weren' they? Apart from being a good story, these excommunications would have meant no Christian marriages, baptisms or burials- therefore no records for those concerned. Perhaps worth considering when families seem to "disappear" from the church records for a generation or two.
With all the religious turmoil during the Reformation and the later Civil Wars this might be applicable to many families- if they kept their heads or weren't burnt alive either! Mwahahaha
"The Story of the Vivian's by Stanley VIVIAN"
There had been continuing trouble of it physical, in St. Buryan for some time and the Bishop had complained to the King that he was afraid to meddle with St. Buryan "for no one belonging to him dares to go there for fear of death and mutilation". So, in November 1328 Bishop Grandisson came to St. Michael's Mount and there, in the chapel of the Priory, with the Prior Richard Baupre and other clergy standing around him, their stoles put off and their lighted candles in their hands, fulminated a sentence of excommunication against Richard Vyvian, "auctorum fautorem et incentorem multorum malorum et flagitiorum", against his two sons, William and Hugh and all those who had assaulted Baupre in the churchyard of St. Buryan. Then the candles were suddenly extinguished with the words, "as these lights are extinguished in our eyes so may your souls be put out in the presence of God, the Blessed Mary and All Saints and be handed over to the Devil and his angels to be punished with fire, world without end, unless ye repent. Amen".
The next day sixteen of the leading parishioners, including four Boscawens, who had been involved, came to the Bishop to repent. But none of the three Vyvians. Richard died three years later without repenting, and it is recorded in the calendars of the Patent Rolls that on 27th October 1331, only three weeks before his death, he was indicated for carrying away merchandise adjudged to be wreck! He was hardly alone in such a popular Cornish activity.
Three years later Richard's two sons, William and Hugh, were accused of assaulting John de Lanbrun in Helston, but in July 1336, almost seven years after the excommunication, William Vyvian, the heir, was among other penitents absolved by Bishop Grandisson at St. Buryan.
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Rough old lot weren' they? Apart from being a good story, these excommunications would have meant no Christian marriages, baptisms or burials- therefore no records for those concerned. Perhaps worth considering when families seem to "disappear" from the church records for a generation or two.
With all the religious turmoil during the Reformation and the later Civil Wars this might be applicable to many families- if they kept their heads or weren't burnt alive either! Mwahahaha
