Isiah Edwards Penberthy

[annbarry]

I have Isiah Edwards Penberthy born Sept 1865 in 1871 census spelt 'Isah' with parents John and Maria. he is then 6 strange as parents given as 77 and 68.(more on that later). sisters given as Annah25 ellen 22 Ann S. 17 and Sarah16 ;D could then find no trace of Isiah in 1881, until I found marriage in1876 of Hannah Penberthy and Samuel Olds Mills, then a census record in 1881 with Hannah and Samuel with two small children and Isiah 'Mills' aged 16 .So can we assume that this is the same Isiah?
Returning to John and Maria in 1881 census they still give ages as 77 and 68 they stilll have Sarah aged26. I also found Maria wife of copper miner in 1861 aged 48 with her daughters. I have someone elses family tree which says Maria was a Curtis born 1813 or 14. think they must have had funny turn in 1871
I have John's father as Isaac born1753 and mother as Elizabeth Matcott born 1752 in St Hilary, she married Thomas Phillips in St Hilary in 1772 was widowed in 1779, they had Elizabeth 1773 Thomas 1775- 1782 and Catherine 1778- 1851. she then wed Isaac in Dec 1782 and had Margaret 1783 Isaac 1786 Hannah 1789 and John 1804.
Hope this is useful to someone

[Cornish Terrier]

Hello Ann - a nice intriguing little scenario.

Isaiah Edwards Penberthy - birth registered (FreeBMD) September Qtr 1865 Vol 5c Page 288 Redruth R.D.

There is also an Isaiah Mills born December Qtr of 1864 Oldham R.D.

Using either 'Isaiah' or 'Isiah' there is only one reference (births, deaths and marriages) for Isaiah Penberthy in the whole of FreeBMD.

There are numberous references to Isaiah Mills but none at all for Isaiah Edwards Mills.

It becomes a further search of Census records now I think but perhaps he should wait while a little more information is found on the rest of the family.

I will try to work on that for a while tonight.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Thought it might be worth one more little 'dabble' before getting a bit of sleep.

Isaac Edwards PENBERTHY
born 20th June 1865
baptised 30th November 1865
son of Hannah PENBERTHY of Treeve Lane, Gwithian

That goes a long way towards supporting your assumption I think.

Will try and check on some of the rest tonight.

CT

[annbarry]

Thanks for that C T does seem to fit as there were more Isaac's in the family, wonder who the father was? Will look my end for more clues.
Regards A.

[Cornish Terrier]

I have just had a look at the original image for the 1871 Census and I can tell you that Maria was age 58 and not 68.

On first look it most certainly looks like 68 but enlarging the image a little shows that it is, in fact, 58.

I suspect therefore that John may have been only 67.

With Maria being 58 in 1871 her birth should have been about 1812 or 1813.

There was a Maria CURTIS d/o William (mariner) and Mary of Ventonleague baptised at Phillack 20th November 1814 so the information you found 'might' be correct.

I will try and find the marriage which will give us further clues.

In the 1861 Census John Penberthy is 'abroad' and Maria and the children are living at Guildford, Phillack.

Eldest daughter living at home was Eliza who was then age 24 and recorded as being born at London.
Next child was daughter Maria age 19 who was born at Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Then comes Anna born at Phillack about 1844.
Ellen born at Bristol about 1846.
Angelina born at St Gluvias about 1851.
Sarah born at St Gluvias about 1854.
Mary J born at Phillack late 1860 or early 1861.

I am so far unable to find the family in 1851 however 1841 might be interesting.

There was a John Penberthy age 30, iron founder, at the Bristol Infirmary.

John was not born in Gloucestershire and it is quite likely he was actually born in Cornwall.

His age suggests a birth between 1807 and 1811 but I would not take too much notice of that just yet.

Based on the family in 1861 we should be looking for a marriage about 1835 or 1836.

Further of interest from 1841:-

At Lower Cottage Street, St Augustine the Less, Bristol

Maria Penberthy, 25, Ind., Not born in County
Mary do., 6, Not born in County

This 'could' be the wife of John and with daughter Mary age 6 would suggest a marriage about 1833 or 1834.

But if this is the right person then where was her daughter Eliza at this time?

As the LDS site is down for maintenance (still) I am unable to do any more on this problem for now.

A few things to think about anyway.

[myghaelangof]

Some information that may help, albeit dating from the 1600's

I have done a little research on Penberthy's in the 1600's trying to locate the ancestry of my Margaret PENBERTHY who married Bennet SHAKERLEY at St Just in 1605. I have found only one other Penberthy in St Just around this period and he was Isaac. I dont have a baptism or marriage for Isaac, but he appears to have had the following children:
**Avis (bp 1614) married John BASTIAN 1641;
**Margaret (bp 1618) = Thomas ROBARTS in 1641;
**Isaac (bp ?- bur 1709) = Ann EDWARDS in 1656. They possibly had 10 children including 2 Isaacs. This was most likely the Isaac PENBERTHY listed on the 1658 'list of men of St Just'
**Bernard (bp 1633, bur 1701) = Paskes OATES 1656 and children incl Isaac(1660) and Patience(1662). Isaac (1660-1691) married Katherine HALL, who secondly married James WHITE at St Just in 1692. Maybe Roy has some more info on this family.
Patience married John BUSSOW at St Ives in 1683, and had a son Isaac BUSSOW.
Given the repitition of the name Isaac, it is possible that your Isaac born circa 1753 is linked to this same family.

I still dont know if my Margaret is linked to the Isaac at the head of this family, but it seems highly likely. I would surmise they were brother and sister, or at least first cousins. Be interesting to find out more about their ancestry.
Good luck, Mike