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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2009 16:49:08 GMT -5
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I have been having a bit of a look at some of the Quicks who made their way to the coal mines and such places in Wales. One in particular caught my attention and I apologise if we have discussed it before.
In the 1861 census William Quick, born about 1832, was a lead miner at Helston and was married to Julia nee Bryant. In 1861 they had a baby William.
In 1871 William was a lodger at Llanegan in Wales and was now a mine agent. Wife Julia was back in Perranzabuloe with a 6 year old son Samuel John and a baby Richard Henry.
I could not find William in 1881 but Julia is a grocer at Perranuthnoe, with three children Samuel John, Richard Henry and Robert. The two younger boys were born in Caernarvonshire, Wales.
So I would suggest that William senior was a Ludgvan boy, son of Robert Mundy Quick and Elizabeth Goldsworthy, baptised 1st March 1838 but born in 1832. Interesting to note that his brother Robert also moved to Liskeard where he was found in the 1861 census.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2009 9:18:00 GMT -5
Lannanta - I do not believe we have discussed this before.  But I tend to agree with your identification of William and brother Robert. Robert was certainly born at Helston and is recorded as such in the 1851 Census. William however was recorded as being born at Ludgvan - probably a moot point. But the link seems obvious and I am happy with it. I am having a brief look at both William and Robert and have found something interesting. In 1861 Robert has a wife Mary who had been born at Marazion about 1825. There was also daughter Elizabeth age 2 and son Robert age 1. More importantly was 'daughter-in-law' Dewen WHERE age 11!  This indicates that Mary had been previously married. But have a look at the following from FreeBMD:- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Metters Mary Ann Stoke Damerel 5b 532 Quick Robert Stoke Damerel 5b 532 SOBEY William Stoke Damerel 5b 532 Whare Mary Stoke Damerel 5b 532 Most interesting!!  This is the only possible matching record for a marriage for Robert to Mary so must be the correct one. But married in 1852 then first apparent child not until about 1858 leaves us with more questions!  Will try and follow this a little more tomorrow. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2009 9:51:38 GMT -5
A small addition to my last.
In 1851 Mary WHARE is at Liskeard with daughters Mary (age 5 born Marazion), Susan (age 3 born Marazion) and Dewen (age 1 born Liskeard).
Mary was then a widow age 25 and born at Marazion.
I am yet to find the marriage but there was a Samuel WHARE whose death is recorded in the Liskeard R.D. in the September Qtr of 1848.
Mary WEARE born 1846 Penzance R.D.
Susan WEARE born 1847 Penzance R.D.
Will look more tomorrow.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2009 11:39:09 GMT -5
Decided to have a search myself to see if I could find William in 1881. Seems I have failed so far  but I have found another William of possible interest. William Quick age 41 born St Ives and now living in Llanengan, Caernarvonshire, Wales. Thought that was a little familiar.  But this fellow has a wife named Elizabeth and several children with wife and children all born in Wales Although his stated birthplace is St Ives I am thinking that this William was actually born at Zennor about 1840. The two eldest children (possibly more earlier ) are Thomas and Maria Jane. That suggests to me that William was the son of Thomas Quick and Maria Michell who married at Zennor 1st August 1835. Will have another look around for the other William a little later. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2009 12:52:54 GMT -5
At this point I would suggest that this last William is the following from FreeBMD:- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evans Elizabeth Bala 11b 675 Quick William Bala 11b 675 Bala is a Registration District in Merionethshire which borders Carnarvon and Denbighshire where both Elizabeth and the children were born. I also checked the 1881 Census for Julia and notice that she was then a widow. There are two possible deaths for William recorded in FreeBMD between 1871 and 1873 with both in the Penzance R.D. - one in 1873 and the other in 1878. Son Robert was born in Wales about 1873 or 1874 which suggests it more likely that William died in 1878. Try:- William Quick age 46 of Henfor, Goldsithney buried 7th March 1878 at Perranuthnoe. Julia Quick age 57 of Goldsithney buried 6th June 1892 at Perranuthnoe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 15:49:32 GMT -5
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Yes, that is how I saw it as well. Six children, Thomas, Maria, William Freeman, Elizabeth, John and Ann.
But I did not agree with your proposed marriage as I thought it was too late (although now I realise that it isn't). I had settled on a marriage in Glamorgan between William and Elizabeth Morgan, Dec 1866. On reflection I am not so sure - in fact after another perusal I know that I am wrong.
I have this William in the 1841 and 1851 census and possibly in the 1861 census boarding at St Ives, but I do not have him in the 1871 census, which is unusual as he should have been recently married with a new son.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2009 16:29:39 GMT -5
Time for a few hours sleep for me so will have another look at this scenario later on.
I only selected the Elizabeth Evans marriage based on the 1881 Census.
Plan was to have a look at 1871 next and see what I could find however with the two eldest children in 1881 being Thomas and Maria and their ages matching nicely with that marriage it seemed a very good place to start.
Top it off with the fact that the three birthplaces in the Census and the Registration District of the marriage are in such close proximity and it makes for an even better looking scenario.
I am not saying it is absolutely correct but .....
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2009 10:40:47 GMT -5
By process of elimination I believe I have solved the mystery of Robert Quick's wife. William WARE married Mary Cornish BADGE Penzance R.D. 1845 March Qtr Vol 9 Page 213 William WHEARE died 1849 Liskeard R.D. December Qtr Vol 9 Page 117 Dewan WHEAR born 1850 Liskeard R.D. March Qtr Vol 9 Page 183 So Dewan was born within months of the death of her father. Robert QUICK then married the widowed Mary WHARE at Stoke Damerel in 1852 Cannot answer the question of 'why at Stoke Damerel' but all the evidence suggests this must be correct. I am now confident of the marriage to William WARE after having another look at the 1851 Census Living with Mary and her children at that time were 'lodger' John BADGE age 18 and 'visitor' Mary BADGE age 49 - both born at Marazion. I would suggest John was probably her brother and Mary possibly her mother. And the 1841 Census now comes to my aid! Fore St, Marazion Mary BADGE, 35, Ind Mary do., 15, tailoress Dewen do., 11 John do., 8 And next door was the family of (apparently) widowed Elizabeth CORNISH. Thomas BADGE married Mary CORNISH 12th March 1820 at St Hilary I think that does it. CT |
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Post by marychown on Jul 11, 2009 11:05:22 GMT -5
Cannot answer the question of 'why at Stoke Damerel' but all the evidence suggests this must be correct.
CT,
From my own family history research I have a couple of Penwith people getting married in Stoke Damerel near Plymouth. In my own experience, marriages took place there when the groom was in the Royal Navy, as Stoke Damerel appears to be near the area of Devonport navy dockyards. Also, Liskeard is in South East Cornwall and not very far from Plymouth.
Best wishes,
Mary
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2009 11:22:08 GMT -5
Regarding possible earlier children of Robert Quick - I have found a couple of possibilities.
Robert and Mary married in the September Qtr of 1852 at Stoke Damerel.
In the December Qtr of 1872 at Liskeard FreeBMD records the Birth and Death of a Robert Quick.
There is another Robert born at Liskeard in 1854 with possibly that same Robert dying in 1858.
In 1871 Mary and her two children (Elizabeth and Robert Quick) were living at St Cleer.
Mary was a widow by this time and living not far from her was daughter Dewan with Mary's widowed sister Dewan VARKER.
The family was living at Trethevey Stone, St Cleer.
And that location possibly gives us the burial of Robert.
Robert QUICK age 37 of Trethevey was buried at St Cleer 23rd April 1864
Robert would actually have been 35 but ...
And then there is William James QUICK age 18 months of Trethevey who was buried at St Cleer 11th January 1864
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2009 13:32:47 GMT -5
Re: William QUICK and Elizabeth EVANS I am now more convinced that this is the correct marriage after rechecking the Census and then working through FreeBMD. The eldest child in the 1881 Census was Thomas who was then age 10 with birthplace recorded as Dolgelly, Merionethshire. Whilst there are several Thomas Quicks born in Wales in 1871 there are none whose birth is registered in Merionethshire. However - there are two Births registered in the Dolgelly R.D. for Thomas EVANS - March Qtr and also December Qtr. I would suggest that the latter of these was the child who became Thomas QUICK with the marriage occurring some months later.  I am unable to find William QUICK in 1871 but I believe I have found young Thomas EVANS. He is then age 4 months and living with his uncle Griffith Evans with his wife Gwen and children at (what appears to be) Uwchafon, Merionethshire. (Stated birthplace is Dolgelley, Merionethshire.) In 1891 William Quick is widowed and states his birthplace as Zennor and is living at Llanengan with all six children. Interestingly - he, and all children, are recorded as speaking both English and Welsh! Elizabeth died Pwllheli R.D. 1884 September Qtr Vol 11b Page 280 at the age of 39. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2009 14:17:03 GMT -5
Thanks Mary - I agree with you with all the evidence available.
But the maritime link appears to be not involved as Robert Quick was a copper miner at the time of the 1861 Census and there is nothing to suggest any other occupation prior to his death.
In 1851 he was living at Ludgvan with his parents with no occupation recorded.
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but I have found another William of possible interest. 
