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Post by snydly on Jul 3, 2009 20:04:09 GMT -5
Hi there; I am having trouble tracking down the parents of Catherine Williams who was born on April 4, 1815 in St Ives, Cornwall. She died abt 1873 in Penzance Cornwall, and she was married to Robert Toy who was born Oct 11, 1810. They had 4 children that I can find: Catherine Toy born 1838 Robert Toy born 1839 Elizabeth Ann Williams Toy born 1842 Robert Toy born 1847 I can't seem to get the Williams side's parents going like I have for Robert Toy. Can you help please? BTW, Robert Toy's parents are Robert Toy and Ann Blackwell who were married in Mawnan, Cornwall on Oct 16, 1805. Robert Toy was born April 10, 1785 and Ann 'The Cougar' Blackwell was born Aug 20, 1775. Thanks in advance of the findings.  |
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Post by newlyn on Jul 4, 2009 4:14:30 GMT -5
Two St Ives marriages of Williams: John Williams married Mary Ninnis 18.12.1812 John Williams married Elizabeth Bryant 30.4.1810 Might be one of these two?  |
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Post by Mal on Jul 4, 2009 4:19:08 GMT -5
Ah, another brickwall with a William!!!!
Just going off the names, I would be inclined to look at John Williams and Elizabeth Bryant. I have had a check on my tree but I can't find any connections to these people. Bryant is a name that comes up in St Ives a lot too.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 4, 2009 6:07:47 GMT -5
Malcolm - as you have no parents for Catherine I must presume that you have gleaned the date of birth from a gravestone or Monumental Insription? I have not yet found Robert and Catherine in the 1851 Census so based on 1861 a check of St Ives baptisms gives the following as the most likely:- Catherine d/o Clement and Catherine Williams bp. 19th April 1816 at St Ives If your data is from either of the two sources mentioned above then this is a very close match and it is always possible that the year of birth may not be exact. Clement WILLIAMS married Catherine HONEY 26th December 1808 at St Ives If this is the correct link then Catherine HONEY is probably:- Catherine d/o William and Elizabeth HONEY bp. 9th March 1788 St Ives William HONEY m. Elizabeth ROSKRUGE 16th November 1784 St Ives Cannot guarantee any of this but it is certainly a likely scenario for you to ponder. CT |
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Post by snydly on Jul 4, 2009 11:04:37 GMT -5
The Birth Dates for Catherine and Robert Toy come from a personal register found in a family bible ... so I take them as a very accurate source of information. The Baptism given almost a year later is a possibility I guess. I have the digital image here on my computer with many generations birth and death dates recorded in the bible pages. Is there a way I can share this image on the forum? |
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Post by Mal on Jul 5, 2009 4:31:41 GMT -5
CT- I think you're getting mixed up- I don't have any information on this family and they are not, as far as I can see, connected to any WILLIAMS on my tree, I was building on what Newlyn had said.
SNYDLY- You are lucky to have a family bible with all those generations in it, and yes, I think family Bible dates might be more reliable than second and third hand sources. Everytime something get's passed on, retranscribed, scanned and reread there's more room for error.
As for the information in the Bible itself. The onhly way would be to type it out and post it as a message- as we can't use images on this site (to my knowledge) (yet). I did the same thing with a couple of wills I went through- talk about a labour of love! Your information could impact on someone else's research so it might well be useful. Every link, date etc all helps with a bigger picture. I haven't found any connection to Williams, but should you, for example, find a DAVIES; VINGOE; GENDALL; BRAMBLE; COLENSO in your family tree the picture would change!
Why don't you type up the essential information and post it in a message as WILLIAMS ST IVES?
Best of luck,
M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 5, 2009 5:32:11 GMT -5
Apologies to Snydly and Malcolm - my initial reply was directed to the wrong person.  Too many fire extinguishers on my brain lately - That's my excuse and I am sticking with it! ;D Snydly - as per my reply to Malcolm in the previous section you could try one of the 'Add Tags' buttons. If you look at the bottom row you will see the first button is for 'YouTube'. Follow along to the fourth button which is 'Insert Image' and give that a try. I would certainly appreciate those details which might help with a number of other projects in the St Ives area. CT |
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Post by snydly on Jul 16, 2009 23:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by snydly on Jul 17, 2009 0:08:18 GMT -5
10,Digey,Robt. Toye,Head,M,40,,Master Baker,Budock Cornwall,,
,,Cathn. Toye,Wife,M,,35,Master Baker's Wife,St Ives Cornwall,,
,,Cathn. Toye,Dau,,,12,Master Baker's Daur,Penzance Cornwall,,
,,Elizth. Toye,Dau,,,9,Master Baker's Daur,St Ives Cornwall,,
,,Robt. Toye,Son,,3,,Master Baker's Son,St Ives Cornwall,,
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 17, 2009 2:39:55 GMT -5
Good work Snydly  Unless there are Chapel PRs I am not aware of I would be inclined to think that the parents I mentioned in an earlier post (i.e. Clement and Catherine) would be likely to be correct. Something more to cement the link would be nice but it does look the probable answer at the moment. CT |
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Post by snydly on Jul 17, 2009 21:58:53 GMT -5
Thanks CT These clues you gave me opened up a pandora's box when using Ancestry.co.uk. I have added many generation to the tree from that point onwards and I think it is fitting very well with one small exception. One the OPC I found this marriage which seems to fit the information given by others research a bit better. Tell me what you think ... thanks. 16-Nov 1784 Ives, St. William HONEY marries Elizabeth HODGE www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=484150&dbtype=marriages |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 18, 2009 3:57:47 GMT -5
Snydly - this is a case of 'Aha, I see what has happened!'
Both are correct and the entry reads:-
William Honey, mariner, & Elizabeth Hodge, w. 16th November 1784
Elizabeth Hodge was a widow when she married Thomas Honey and I believe the scenario to be this:-
Thomas Hodge, sojourner, married Elizabeth Roscruge 16th June 1776 at St Ives.
I have found only two children form this marriage - John bp. 1777 at St Ives and Thomas bp. 1779 at St Ives.
Although I have not found the burial for Thomas Hodge I believe he died within a couple of years of the baptism of Thomas and then his widow married William Honey.
I have not tried to trace any of these families back any further as yet although I believe William Honey to have been baptised at St Ives 23rd December 1758 son of Humphry and Elizabeth Honey.
CT
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