Jane Christopher Quick

[Cornish Terrier]

Here is an interesting little problem for you all to ponder.

St Ives Marriages

28 Dec 1863 by Licence
Henry Cox 23 bachelor Shipwright of St. Ives (Father: Richard Cox, Coast Guard)
Jane Christopher Quick 23 spinster of St. Ives (Father: Christopher Quick, Mariner)
Witnesses: Wilmot Bryant, Wm. [?]

Just who was this girl?

And who was her father?

The earliest Christopher QUICK I have recorded is Christopher George Quick s/o James and Annie bp. at Gwennap in 1832 so he cannot possibly be the father!

So - some facts.

Jane was age 23 at the time of marriage and so was born about 1840 and would therefore appear in the Civil Registration Index - unless the entry was missed or she was not registered.

A search of FreeBMD for all events involving Jane Christopher QUICK returns only one entry from 1837 to past 1900 and that is the 1863 marriage.

In 1871 Henry and Jane COX were at Portsea, Hampshire where Jane's age is recorded as 29 and her birthplace as St Ives so we are still looking at about 1840 or 1841 for her birth.

There appears to be no Jane QUICK in the Census records to be a close match.

STUCK!

But a little thinking and searching has provided some interesting possibilities.

I tried a search in FreeBMD for ANY event where the christian names were 'Jane Christopher' - i.e. no surname entered.

And there is only ONE entry appears in the Births for any District in Cornwall:-

Penzance R.D.1840 March Qtr Vol 9 Page 210
Jane Christopher ROUSE

Here we have the correct christian names and a birthdate that is almost the perfact match - but the surname is wrong!

But there is enough here to warrant further investigation.

The baptism does not appear in the St Ives records to 1840 and it does not appear in the Primitive Methodist records so either occurred after 1840 in the established Church or at one of the other Chapels.

So Census records must be next on the agenda - and this is where I have found something even more interesting and intriguing.

More to follow ......

Here now are the entries from the Census:-

1841

Piece: HO107/144/5 Place: Penwith -Cornwall Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 61 Page: 22
Address: Court Cocking



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROUSE James M 60 Shoe Maker Cornwall
ROUSE Judy F 65 Cornwall
ROUSE James M 40 Fisherman Cornwall
ROUSE William M 20 Fisherman Cornwall
QUICK Jane F 25 Female Servant Cornwall
QUICK Jane F 1 Cornwall


1851

Piece: HO107/1917 Place: Uny Lelant -Cornwall Enumeration District: 2h
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 480 Page: 8 Schedule: 33
Address: Court Cocking



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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROUSE James Head U M 49 Shoemaker Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE John Brothr W M 44 Seaman Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE John Nephew U M 11 Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Judith Mother W F 74 Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Jane Sislaw W F 36 Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Jane C. Niece U F 11 Cornwall - St Ives


1861

Piece: RG9/1590 Place: Penzance -Cornwall Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 17 Page: 32 Schedule: 175
Address: Court Cocking



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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROUSE James Head M M 60 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE John Brothr M M 53 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives
QUICK Jane Servnt U F 47 House Keeper Cornwall - St Ives
CHRISTOPHER Jane Dau U F 21 Dress Maker Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE John Son U M 20 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Cristopher Son U M 18 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives
MORRIS Jane Dau - F 9 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives

NOTE:- Jane QUICK was originally recorded as 'Daur' but that is crossed out and replaced with 'servant'.

1871

Piece: RG10/2334 Place: St Ives -Cornwall Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 49 Page: 5 Schedule: 28
Address: Court Cocking



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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROUSE James Head U M 69 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Jane Boardr W F 56 - Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Jane M Boardr U F 18 Beetster Cornwall - St Ives


Again - more to follow .....

Has anyone noticed yet that this is a little confusing!

I have not yet been able to find this family in 1881 so will need to check on possible deaths.

But - here are a couple of interesting observations:-

James ROUSE

In 1851 James is recorded as 'unmarried'
In 1861 James is recorded as 'married'
In 1871 James is recorded as 'unmarried'

Jane QUICK

In 1841 she is Jane QUICK, female servant
In 1851 she is Jane ROUSE, sister-in-law, widow
In 1861 she is Jane QUICK, servant, unmarried
In 1871 she is Jane ROUSE, boarder, widow

Jane Christopher QUICK (?)

In 1841 she is Jane QUICK
In 1851 she is Jane C ROUSE, niece
In 1861 she is Jane CHRISTOPHER, daughter
In 1863 she marries Henry COX as Jane Christopher QUICK

Are you all sure you are not confused yet?? ;D

Deaths Mar 1877 (>99%)
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ROUSE James 76 Penzance 5c 218

This is certainly the death of the James ROUSE under discussion here.

He was baptised at St Ives 19th August 1801 son of James and Judith (nee STEVENS)


Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Quick Jane 87 Penzance 5c 133

This 'may' be our Jane QUICK/ROUSE but I need to check a few more Census records.

There is certainly no record of a Jane ROUSE who could possibly be her and this is the only entry as Jane QUICK that appears to be close to a possibility.

[londoner]

is there any connection to Jane Quick Christophers b Lelant 1821?

[londoner]

You beat me to it again!

[Cornish Terrier]

Hello Londoner - yes, as you will see from my latest modification that is exactly where I am heading.

I am hitting the 'post' button regularly so I don't have to repeat everything and it allows me a 'safe break' to have a good look at what I have posted before moving on.

Will just keep modifying the same message for the time being.

CT

[londoner]

Just what I was doing with the 1861 info when you posted!

[londoner]

So Jane Morris of 1861 becomes Jane M Rouse by 1871. Did Jane have two daughters called Jane ? did she have no imagination when it came to names for the but plenty when it came to "husbands"?

James died 1877 age 76 but no death for a Jane Rouse but there is a Jane Quick in 1881 age 51 perhaps a bit young?

ANd Jane Morris Rouse m William Bryant in 1871 and claimed her father was William Rouse! just to complicate things further or is this the answer because WIlliam was James' brother!!!

Jane Rouse is living with Jane & William Bryant in 1891

[londoner]

In 1851 William Rouse, wife Jane and Daughter Jane are at Norway Lane so perhaps Jane Quick, mother of Jane Christopher Quick IS a different person to Jane Rouse and really was the "servant" and not the sister-in-law

[londoner]

Yes to my own question
William Rouse m Jun 1850 (Pz 9,230) Jane Drew Morris

and she died Mar 1908 age 80 Pz 5c, 171

[londoner]

Found a Jane Quick age 87 in 1901 at Chapel St St Ives - on her own, transcribed OWAK by the wonders of A***

[Cornish Terrier]

Perhaps the FINALE?

I have decided to separate this possible 'last bit' so as to flow with Londoner's latest input.

Yes, Londoner, it is undoubtedly our James ROUSE who died in 1877.

BUT THERE ARE STILL MORE TWISTS!

I note your comment about Jane MORRIS and, whilst still having to investigate further, I have also noted the marriage of Jane to William BRYANT.

As you say Jane stated her father was William ROUSE when she married William BRYANT in 1871.

And you also state correctly that Jane ROUSE was living with the BRYANT family in 1891 but ......

1891 Census

Piece: RG12/1854 Place: Penzance -Cornwall Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Ives
Folio: 96 Page: 24 Schedule: 132
Address: Harveys Court



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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BRYANT William Head M M 41 Fisherman(Em'ee) Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT Jane M Wife M F 38 Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT William Son S M 19 Fisherman(Em'ee) Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT Jane M Dau S F 17 General Servant (Dom)(Em'ee) Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT Mary A Dau S F 12 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT George Son S M 9 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT Margaret Dau S F 7 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT James R Son - M 5 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT Walter Son - M 2 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
ROUSE Jane Border W F 75 Supported By Her Children Cornwall - St Ives

Jane is living with William and Jane BRYANT as a boarder yet states she is "SUPPORTED BY HER CHILDREN"

We know for sure Jane (as Jane QUICK) had one daughter - Jane who married Henry COX - yet here she suggests 'her children'.

In 1871 and again in 1891 daughter Jane and her husband Henry COX were living at Portsea, Hampshire.

Grrrrroooooaaaan!!! - I thought I had just mucked up the whole thing!

But another look and I think I am right.

Londoner - the Jane ROUSE living with William and Jane BRYANT in 1891 cannot be the mother of Jane.

Jane Drew MORRIS (wife of William ROUSE) was baptised at St Ives 27th July 1827 d/o Richard and Grace so in 1891 should be only 64.

The Jane in 1891 was age 75 and so born about 1815 which is more likely to be Jane QUICK.

And at the moment I cannot find William and Jane ROUSE in 1881.

Will have another look around and add more in another post.

CT

[londoner]

We have both been ignoring John Rouse b 1840 and Christopher Rouse b 1843 (both in the James household in 1861). Perhaps folowing them might give further clues.

1861
William Rouse 60 widr
Francis Rouse 29 son
Jane Q Rouse 24 dau AHA!!!
John Rouse 22 son

[Cornish Terrier]

More Twists!

The William ROUSE who married Jane Drew MORRIS in 1850 was born about 1817 son of James ROUSE.

There is no baptism in the CFHS Index (perhaps baptised non-conformist) but I would suggest that he was son of James and Judith and, therefore, brother to James ROUSE.

In that case then it might be considered that the Jane ROUSE 'sister-in-law' in the 1851 Census may have been the wife of William.

But as Londoner has pointed out William and Jane, with daughter Jane, were living at Norway, St Ives in 1851.

SO how about another reason for Jane QUICK/ROUSE to be recorded as 'sister-in-law'?

Christopher ROUSE son of James and Judith bp. 18th December 1812 at St Ives

Now this all started with Jane Christopher QUICK whose birth was registered as Jane CHRISTOPHER ROUSE.

Jane's birth was registered in the MARCH QTR of 1840.

Deaths Sep 1839 (>99%)
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ROUSE Christopher Penzance 9 92

How about this bloke being the father of young Jane?

He died sometime during the months of July, August or September of 1839.

Jane was born sometime during the months of December 1839, January, February and March 1840.

Christopher dies and his 'partner' and daughter are living with his brother in 1841 and onwards. ;D

[Cornish Terrier]

is there any connection to Jane Quick Christophers b Lelant 1821?

The answer to that is No - Jane may be connected indirectly to Elizabeth Quick, mother of Jane Quick Christopher, but she was from Towednack so the connection will be a long way back.

Found a Jane Quick age 87 in 1901 at Chapel St St Ives - on her own, transcribed OWAK by the wonders of A***

Yes I found that one too and had it earmarked to add into the discussion.

Note that she claims to be a widow.

We have both been ignoring John Rouse b 1840 and Christopher Rouse b 1843 (both in the James household in 1861). Perhaps folowing them might give further clues.

They should be followed if for no other reason than to complete this picture.

Now I need to find William and Jane from 1861 onwards.

The Jane ROUSE who died in 1908 certainly looks likely to be the wife of William but .......

[Cornish Terrier]

Londoner - there is yet another twist!

The Jane ROUSE who died in 1908 was NOT Jane Drew MORRIS.

Take a look at the following marriages from St Ives:-

26 May 1850 by Banns
William Rouse 33 bachelor Fisherman of St. Ives (Father: James Rouse, Shoemaker)
Jane Drew Morris 23 spinster of St. Ives (Father: Richard Morris, Carrier)
Witnesses: Thomas Williams, Prudence Vining

7 May 1854 by Banns
William Rouse 38 widower Fisherman of Back Road, St. Ives (Father: James Rouse, Shoemaker)
Margaret Jane Trevorrow 36 widow of Fore Street, St. Ives (Father: Anthony Hart, Blacksmith)
Witnesses: Jane Andrew, Thomas Williams

In 1861 William and his new wife were living at Norway Lane, St Ives with son James age 6.

This now means that Jane QUICK/ROUSE is the same person throughout the Census.

Jane ROUSE is one of two deaths in FreeBMD - December 1851 or September 1852.

CT

[londoner]

So who is the William in the 1861 census I quoted? In 1841 his wife is Johanna (another Quick?) and there is another daughter Christian ( Kate in 1851)

and is the Jane Q Rouse our Jane Christopher Quick or yet another Jane? I guess another one.

answering my own question again - yes she was definitely the daughter of William and Johanna bap st Ives 1835 and this WIlliam was a Mason.

Christopher junior m Grace Letcher Mar 1866 (Pz 5c, 464) and died 1901 having had two daughters Catherine Ann 1865 and Jane Letcher 1870 (bp 11 Aug 1876)

John (1840) possibly m Honor Green in 1864 and had at least 7 offspring
I think there might have been two Johns (one son of William above) 1839 & 1841 but need to check this.