Paul Quick to Australia

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CT

I am a bit confused. In my census data I have Paul Quick, son of Gabriel Quick and Jane Williams working as an "excise officer". In the 1841 census he is in Lower Caston, Gloucester and his wife is not with him. By the 1851 census he is a widower and back at Weskets Lane in St Ives. Then I have a note that says he went to Australia (crikey mate!) in 1857 which makes sense because he is not found in the 1861 census.

According to my records he married Mary Pearce at Zennor and they had at least three children; Edward, Mary and Anna - from 1837 to 1843 - and some of these children went to Australia with dear old Dad.

Next I have a note from the newspaper:

At Bristol, on the 3rd instant, after a long and painful illness, which she bore with Christian fortitude, Mary, wife of Mr. Paul QUICK, excise officer, at that place.

That date being the 3rd October 1841.

But now I see that Mary appears in the 1841 census at Penpol Terrace in Phillack living with a family whose head is William Pearce - probably her father or brother. And with her is a young girl named Charity Quick, aged 14, who I can only assume is a daughter.

Am I right - is this all the same family? Why the big gap between Charity and the younger three children?

I would appreciate your perspective.

Lannanta

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Hmmm

Charity Jane Pryor Williams QUICK, baptised at Camborne on the 3rd August 1827 to Paul Quick and Mary. Here Paul was supposed to be a schoolmaster.

I guess that about says it all.

Well, on reflection it doesn't. I have found another baptism in 1830 at Camborne for William Paul Arundel Quick where his father Paul was an 'excise officer' resident in Cork in Ireland.

Most intriguing.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I will need to check back on this one but I seem to recall some mention of Charity quite some time back.

And I have not yet looked at the Camborne data apart that early foray in trying to identify Thomas of 1727.

Hmm - looking at the Census records I certainly do recall having some little discussion about this family a long time back.

There are some things of interest.

Firstly - Mary is recorded as 'Ind' in 1841 and, as you say, has what appears to be possibly her daughter with her.

And then Paul is at Gloucestershire with children Edward and Mary - and also a female servant, not born in County, by name of Charity Pearce.

I think that I suggested in early discussions that Charity might well be a sister-in-law.

It sems a little strange that Mary is back in Cornwall with a one-year-old daughter, Mary, left in Gloucestershire.

But this might add to the possibility that Charity was her sister.

From the West Briton there seems little doubt that it was this same Mary that died later in 1841 in Bristol.
There are not many of the name Paul Quick about and Paul was certainly in Gloucestershire earlier that year.

So then you add a couple of baptisms at Camborne.

Charity Jane Pryor Williams Quick would appear to be self-explanatory with Jane Williams being the name of Paul's mother.

But where do the names Charity and Pryor come from - in particular Pryor?

There seems evidence enough of Charity in the Pearce family which means Mary can be probably correctly linked.

The obvious solution might be that Mary's mother was a Charity Pryor.

BINGO - William PEARCE married Charity PRIOR at Phillack 5th July 1794.

So the eldest daughter has been blessed with a combination of the maiden names of her two grandmothers!

Now - is it possible that we have another Paul and Mary Quick to be considered?

I would say probably not but it may pay to keep the thought in the back of the mind for the time being.

The fact that Charity was baptised at Camborne suggests that the 1830 baptism would probably also belong - and we also have Paul described as an 'excise officer'.

So the question here is - to whom do the names William Arundel refer?

I will take a little time out from the other Quick stuff and look further into this situation but I do have one problem in particular!

According to my records he married Mary Pearce at Zennor and they had at least three children; Edward, Mary and Anna - from 1837 to 1843 - and some of these children went to Australia with dear old Dad.

Where did the name of ANNA come from?

She does not appear with Paul in the 1851 Census and I don't seem to have her in 1841.
And if she was born as late as 1843 then, with Mary having died in 1841, who was the mother?

I will follow through to see what I can find for them in Australia.

But I can tell you that Paul died at Ballarat in 1886 and both parents are recorded in the Death Index so we know exactly who he was.

Let me see what more I can find and I will post the results here.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Best I throw something more into the mix to confuse things!

In 1841 Mary Quick was staying, as you stated, with the family of William PEARCE and it might be expected that she was a daughter of that family.

BUT - the wife of William Pearce in 1841 was HARRIET!!

So it would appear that I may need to look at the possibility of a second marriage for William!

Ooops - might pay for me to read things a little more closely first!

William was age 4? and Harriet 35 so it is more likely William was a sibling.

That would appear to be correct - checking Zennor baptisms and I found Charity Pryor PEARCE d/o William and Harriet baptised 5th November 1826.

This is just three months after Mary married Paul QUICK so there is some sort of logicality about things.

[Cornish Terrier]

Whilst yet to check the Camborne records I have been taking a look at the PEARCE family.

Mary was baptised at Phillack 28th May 1803 d/o William Charity PEARCE

It would appear it was her youngest sister, Charity, who was at Gloucestershire in 1841 with Paul QUICK and his two young children.

I am not even going to think about trying to identify William PEARCE at the moment!

But although there are a couple of possibilities I think I can identify Charity PRYOR.

She was probably baptised 10th July 1768 at Wendron d/o ARUNDEL and Jane PRYOR.

I am basing this on two things - firstly the fact that there was an Arundel and Margaret PRYOR baptising children at Phillack at the same time as William and Charity PEARCE with the possible conclusion being that Arundel and Charity were siblings.

But secondly this would explain the use of the name ARUNDEL by Paul and Mary QUICK.

I have also found the marriage of Mary's brother William:-

William PEARCE 'miner of Zennor' married Harriet VIVIAN 1st February 1825 at Camborne

So there seems to have been some familiarity with Camborne.

Also of interest (in light of my possible identification of Charity PRYOR) is that William and Harriet also named son ARUNDEL!

Arundell Pryor Pearce s/o William and Harriet bp. 9th July 1837 Copperhouse Wesleyan (born 23rd May 1834)

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CT

I recorded quite some time ago that William Pearce was the son of William Pearce and Miriam Ellis. Not too sure about proof of this assumption.

I tried to find a burial for William Paul Arundel Quick last night but was not successful. Given that they were for a time in Ireland it may have happened there - or for that matter he may not have died in that time.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I also tried without success to search for a burial for William.

I also tried to find a little more about daughter Charity but can find absolutely nothing after 1841.

Paul died in Victoria as previously stated but the only other family member I can find is son Edward.

Although no parents are recorded Edward died at Rose Park, South Australia 30th September 1912.

I previously had this information from a descendant many years ago.

I have not yet searched for a marriage for Mary so it is possible she came to Australia and died without her parents names being recorded.

But what I did find last night was something on IGI:-

Mary d/o Paul and Mary Quick bp. 22nd May 1842 Wesleyan Methodist, Baptist Mills, Gloucestershire.

Given there appears to be no other marriage of a Paul and Mary Quick anywhere near the right time or place it would appear this is a late baptism for Mary and obviously performed after her mother had died.

There is a Paul Quick married in the Bristol R.D. in the June Qtr of 1843.

Now I cannot seem to find a likely match in the 1851 Census so perhaps this is the same Paul being married a second time.

But that would also mean that he was widowed again prior to 1851.

Any ideas?

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OK CT

Here I am sitting at home with the cold and flu - in October of all months!! So I have found another little teaser for you to have a think about.

I tried to find a burial for William Paul Arundel Quick last night but was not successful. Given that they were for a time in Ireland it may have happened there - or for that matter he may not have died in that time.

So Paul the "excise officer" was the son of Gabriel Quick and Jane Williams. Five children that we are aware of, Charity, William, Edward, Mary and Anna.

We know that son Edward married Elizabeth Mann and one of their children was named William Williams Quick.

OK, so back to William Paul Arundel Quick, baptised in 1830 at Camborne. Next comes Edward in 1837. So I suggest that William Paul Arundel died very early and a second William Quick was born around 1832 - and his name was William Williams Quick. He died, aged 8 years, on the 6th August 1840 at St Ives, of Phthisis, the son of Paul Quick, Excise Officer.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - that makes some sense. Especially as you appear to have the death certificate based on the information provided.

You also mention a daughter ANNA that I do not have recorded so would appreciate some further information on her please.

Looking at the children of Paul and Mary again and I would suggest that William Paul Arundel might have died 'up country' somewhere.

He was baptised at Camborne but then Edward was baptised at Yardley in Worcesershire and Mary up in Gloucestershire.

And that means that William Williams Quick was probably born 'up country' also.

Perhaps Newlyn might be able to find some of these details for us?

CT

[Sarch]

Hi Lannanta

OK, so back to William Paul Arundel Quick, baptised in 1830 at Camborne. Next comes Edward in 1837. So I suggest that William Paul Arundel died very early and a second William Quick was born around 1832 - and his name was William Williams Quick. He died, aged 8 years, on the 6th August 1840 at St Ives, of Phthisis, the son of Paul Quick, Excise Officer

Just a thought isn't 8 years old early to be dying of Phthisis/black lung?

Might not be impossible as I am no doctor but it seems early to me as I thought miners had to spend many years underground before getting it - does any one know? Can it be confused with TB?

Regards

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

Sarch - this definition might help.

phthi·sis (thss, t-) also phthis·ic (tzk, thz-)
n.
1. A disease characterized by the wasting away or atrophy of the body or a part of the body.
2. Tuberculosis of the lungs. No longer in scientific use.

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[Latin, from Greek, from phthinein, to waste away.]

CT

[Sarch]

Thanks CT

I always thought phthisis was another word for black lung - Coalworkers pneumoconiosis caused by exposure to coal dust

Regards

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

There was a term called 'miners phthisis' that I have seen on a few death certificates.

I don't know that it necessarily referred to coal miners but rather miners in general.

In fact on the occasions I have seen it I think it was more in the areas of gold mining.

[sue]

My GGgfather died in Polpeor Lelant of phthisis in 1870s, a miner all his life of tin as far as I know - although he can't be found in the 1841 census so possibly wandered off abroad for a year or 2 to try mining something else.

When I checked out what it meant, I repeatedly came across variations on
"The term was formerly applied to many wasting diseases, but is now usually restricted to pulmonary phthisis, or consumption" or TB, which would fit not only with the working conditions but also the sometime poor living conditions.

Sue