Anthony (Arthur) Quick

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Lannanta - I will be interested, of course, to know just how you can prove that.

But I have just read through this thread and had formed an idea before getting to this particular note.

Your statement that John died in 1818 at the age of 60 got me to thinking and I did another search of IGI.
Of course the only Johns baptised at the right time have been recently taken care of and there is no doubt about them.

But I then checked the marriage of John and Elizabeth again - 1757.

John being born around 1758 fits absolutely perfectly with him being the first child of the above marriage but no real proof to make the link.

I had considered late baptisms for Elizabeth and Anthony, cc/o John and Elizabeth, but it just did not sit right.

Maybe have one child that you did not baptise for some reason but not two and then baptise them a couple of years apart.

The other option there is that whilst one child, probably the first, might have had a long-delayed baptism I would not think the same would happen with a second child and then separate the baptisms by so much.
In other words - if one child was baptised late then we are looking at a very long gap between the birth of that child and the appearance of the second.

No - the answer must be that there were more children and John born about 1758 is most likely one of them.

Let's be reminded of the (current) possible options for the elder John:-

1716 Lelant s/o Andrew and Margaret
1725 St Ives s/o James and Margaret
1729 St Ives s/o Andrew and Mary

John bp. 8th October 1732 CAMBORNE s/o Thomas QUICK

It is safe to say now that the first of these has been eliminated following our discussions this morning.

So we are down to three 'at the moment'.

If we can just find a couple more children for John and Elizabeth we might find the answer.

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CT

Sorry but I was in a hurry before - had to ride a goat if you know what I mean?

Anyway: At Illogan, dated 6th July 1818, Bond upon the Admon of the Goods etc of John Quick, yeoman deceased, granted to Anthony Quick the brother and next of kin of the said deceased.

So I have two baptisms that relate to the children of a John and Elizabeth at St Ives:
Elizabeth bap 3/8/1766
Anthony bap 25/9/1768

No John of course.

The parents could be the marriage at St Ives in 1757 between John Quick and Elizabeth Cock, a widow. This would cater for the John who died at Illogan.

Lannanta

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Lannanta - that seals it for me.

I knew you would have something to back you up but just wanted to know what it was.

But just where was John born/baptised ?

And were there any other children?

I would be guessing, given the gaps, that there probably were other children but then we would have to consider whether they survived.

I suspect that we may find other 'possibles' once we start investigating the families in other surrounding Parishes but it is probably best not to hypothesise at this stage but rather wait until one of those 'possibilities' eventuates.

CT

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CT

A few weeks later (actually 12 days) when John Quick's wife Ann died a similar Admon was issued. This time issued to what looks like a certain Susannah Lean, wife of George of Truro, the sister of the deceased.

Now I can't find a marriage to Susannah Wilking (that was Ann's surname) so maybe one of these two ladies was a widow.

Lannanta

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How about this one:-

George LEAN m. Susanna GEORGE 30th June 1799 at Truro

And then maybe add this:-

Richard WILKIN m. Anne GEORGE 4th December 1781 at Illogan

From memory I think you said Anne QUICK was 68 when she died in 1818 so I think some more of Illogan will help.

Edward GEORGE m. Ann ROOP 13th July 1751 Illogan

Amongst other children at Illogan are:-

Anne bp. 2nd December 1759
Susanna bp. 26th December 1769

So it was Anne who was the widow and I notice there are no children to John QUICK at Illogan.

CT

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CT

I also found the Lean/George marriage so you have put things together pretty well, as usual.

As I said I only have two baptisms to John & Elizabeth - Elizabeth and Anthony. So brother John may have been baptised elsewhere and maybe those records are not normally available via IGI etc?

By the way, at St Ives I do have a baptism for a John in 1773 to John and Prudence. Do you know who Prudence is, or perhaps Prudence was not her proper name?

Lannanta

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Guess I will have to save that one for someone else!

I had included that particular entry on a list of 'unknowns' and was planning to ask you if you had any ideas.

I have no idea and no clues just yet but have to suspect a possible PR error.

In fact I have only just finished sorting out one of those at Towednack.

In brief - Wilmot Michell married William Berryman at Towednack in 1823.

According to Census records she was born about 1802 or 1803 at Towednack.

The only Wilmot there is baptised in 1803 d/o MATTHEW and Margaret Michell.

Unfortunately Matthew (who was of Ludgvan) and Margaret did not marry until 1807.

However - there was a THOMAS and Margaret Michell baptising children at Towednack at this time and amongst their children was a child baptised in 1801 with the next recorded in 1805.

Very nice little gap to fit Wilmot into!

This family was of Towednack and seemed to stay there.

BUT the most interesting thing is that the father of Thomas was named MATTHEW!!.

Easy mistake and I have seen it before.

So I suspect we might have something similar with John and Prudence.

I have had a look and the nearest Prudence was Prudence Walters who married Paul Quick in 1782.

A theory!

The name Prudence is quite uncommon in the Quick family - in fact I have only 8 recorded.

So it would seem unlikely that this is where the error was made - UNLESS this was the name of a mother-in-law to one of our John Quicks.

It might take some doing but that is certainly something that might be checked.

However there is another option that is worth thinking about:-

Prudence d/o John and Christian Quick bp. 30th August 1752 at St Ives.

Her father is named JOHN and she did not marry Thomas RED until 1785.

I would be suspecting that young John was an illegitimate child of Prudence.

That's my two bobs' worth for this morning.

CT

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CT

Interesting theory and quite plausible. The only reason that I brought this particular person up was because the baptism of John, son of John and Prudence, was relatively close to the two children (Elizabeth & Anthony) of John and Elizabeth who are of interest at Illogan. I thought, as you rightly point out, that there is a possibility of a PR error here.

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???Lannanta I am reasonably comfortable with the probability this was an illegitimate son of Prudence although it does raise a couple of problems.

I had a quick look and could not find a burial so if young John survived he is going to turn up somewhere.

But will he turn up as a Quick or under the name of whoever the father might have been?

Will keep him on the shelf for the time being I think.
Reverting to the family of John and Elizabeth and missing baptisms.

This is certainly not the first time we have been confronted with this problem and there are several instances in Wills for the Quick family.

Paul Quick in 1710 named a son 'Israel' with mention 'if he live to 21 years'.

And then there is William Quick!

John Quick of Ludgvan wrote his Will in 1776 and named as Executor Willliam Quick his nephew who I understand to have been the son of Richard and Elizabeth Quick.

No baptism found for him, no possible marriage at the moment and I have also not yet identified a burial for him.

William is just .... There!

Of course they may be another alternative - he may turn up with family in another Parish.

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CT

I am getting closer to leaving the Quick family to go back to the Glasson family, however there are a couple of large chunks of people that are hanging in mid air. One of them is this family, the descendants of John Quick and the widow Elizabeth Binney.

Are you in the mood to have a good review of the progress to date, in particular who was this John Quick who married Elizabeth in 1757 at St Ives?

I have all the family of their son Anthony and his two wives in my database but I do not have a link to the other Quick families.

Lannanta

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Quite happy to have a look over it mate.

One of those loose ends I would like to put away.

I finished the Sithney family the other night and still need to review the likes of Gwennap, St Erth, Phillack and a few others.

Will take a read through this particular thread and see what I can come up with.

CT

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Lannanta - replies to this may be over multiple posts as I try to work through the problem.

Firstly:-

Thomas Quick bap 1702 at Gulval, son of Thomas Quick and Jane Jones, had a brother Arthur (Anthony).

Thomas was buried shortly after his baptism so would not be the father of John.
There was a male child baptised to Thomas and Jane in 1707 at Gulval but I have no record of the name and no further details at the moment.

For convenience here are the options I had earlier suggested as possibilities for the father of Anthony:-

1716 Lelant s/o Andrew and Margaret
1725 St IVes s/o James and Margaret
1729 St Ives s/o Andrew and Mary

and the one I would consider favourite at the moment is

John bp. 8th October 1732 CAMBORNE s/o Thomas QUICK


CT

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Morning CT

I did initially agree with your initial suggestion relating to Thomas of Camborne. Trouble is nothing at the moment to pinpoint him as being correct.

I think that it is interesting to look at the family of Anthony.

Firstly he was the brother of John, (b 1758) and this John married Ann, the widow of Richard Wilking in 1788, but there does not appear to have been any children. However this links both this John and Anthony to John Quick and Elizabeth Binney who were married in St Ives in August 1757. Given that there was also another sibling Elizabeth, (b 1766) it may be fair to suggest that there were more children between John and Anthony, albeit I have not located them at all.

So Anthony married twice, first to Grace Knight with the naming of the four children seeming to make sense - John after his grandfather, Mary - ?? (probably a grandparent), Grace after her mother and Anthony after his father. Grace Knight could have been the daughter of either Joseph and Ann, or Stephen and Grace. I would favour the first given the naming of the children in the second marriage.

Anthony marries again to Jennifer (Jane) Carbis at Redruth. They had at least four children: the twins Joseph and William, Ann and Richard.

Of the sons of Anthony mentioned above, none named a son Thomas - in fact I cannot find a mention of Thomas anywhere, which makes me think that our Camborne man may not be correct.

What do you think?

Lannanta

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Somehow this message slipped through the net!

However - I must say that I have been having second thoughts about Thomas of Camborne also.

I think that leaves us just two at St Ives but I cannot really say I am convinced by either of them.

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Lannanta - resurrecting an old question!

By the way, at St Ives I do have a baptism for a John in 1773 to John and Prudence. Do you know who Prudence is, or perhaps Prudence was not her proper name?

I came across this entry a few nights ago when transcribing the St Ives records and it is certainly an error.

In the original register the surname was written as QUICK and then heavily crossed out to be replaced with PAYNTER.

The registers that most people probably see for this period are actually a copy of the original.

There is a second film which covers the period 1768-1778 and this appears to be the original register which is in a poor state of repair - particularly the first few pages which are quite fragmented.

Now when this entry was copied it was copied as QUICK rather than PAYNTER and hence the confusion today.

So it is John son of John PAYNTER and Prudence QUICK who married at St Ives in 1765.

CT