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Post by sue on Apr 22, 2009 4:51:13 GMT -5
Hi  I was born a Curnow, I live in Cambridgeshire England. I knew my family were originally from the St Ives area of Cornwall to c 1920, and I've found lots of information from the censuses, lovely people @ St Ives Archive Centre, and various postings on numerous sites. Most is on the non-Curnows! I would love some help on my immediate Curnow line. I've seen various comments about inaccurate family trees for these Curnows on websites, and agree that some have left me confused!  After a fair bit of work, I have definitely tied my GGGfather down to being John Curnow b 1815 Towednack, christened Lelant, son of William and Elizabeth. The only William & Elizabeth married in Towednack, or showing at the time at all in the Cornish online parish info, are in 1799; my John was their 8th child, per christening records. Their children's naming pattern is perfect for the next father back to be William who married Margery (widow) 1777 in Towednack. If that is correct, it seems I then have 6 Williams born Towednack who could be the one marrying in 1777. I can eliminate those dying young per burial records, and William born 1740 son of William & Jane Daniells, as he died single per will of 1784. That leaves obvious candidate William b 1734 son of William & Jone Trewhela, listed by several on their family trees, as he named first boy William. (Although I saw one family tree interpreted the Towednack burial 28/2/1739 of William son of William & Jane Curnow as being him dying age 5, and the Jane really being Jone; I had read that as a first William son of William & Jane, who then went on 1740 to name another son William, referred to below.) But there are 2 others: William born 1748 of James Curnow & Jane Baragnawath, & William b 1753 of John Curnow & Elisabeth Renowden that I can't yet eliminate. (John & Elisabeth's other christened children were John & Roger; I have no Rogers going forward.) I see various references on websites to a guru Bill Curnow, but am not really a confident internet user, and am not sure how to set about things. Then I found this site, and it seemed really friendly from my look around. This is my first ever venture to post anything anywhere, so apologies if I'm not doing it right. If anyone could help me confirm my family line at the point I've got to and got stuck, that would be marvellous. Sue |
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Post by londoner on Apr 22, 2009 5:41:34 GMT -5
Welcome Sue,
There are several folk here who will be able to help you. Just as soon as CT can drag himself away from his US discoveries I am sure he will be keen to assist.
And I agree about the St Ives Study Centre folk, as you say they are a friendly bunch and full of useful information.
Lesley
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 22, 2009 7:33:25 GMT -5
Hello Sue - our 300th member! I am extremely happy that you have taken the time to look around the site and that your impressions are so good. I like to see a bit of fun and friendliness involved in what can be a long, hard and frustrating hobby and that is what I try to provide. Now - for your query about old William CURNOW and it has only been a matter of time until someone brought this name forward for a bit of study!   First of all - please don't hesitate to contact Bill Curnow! Bill is the Online Parish Clerk for Ludgvan and you can find his contact details on that site. I worked with Bill for quite some time trying to sort out many of the Curnow families so I can pass on the results of that work. However I would urge you to get in touch with Bill in case he has found anything that might influence our reconstruction of the family. Okay - your John CURNOW was, as you say, baptised at Lelant 26th November 1815 and was recorded as 'of Towednack'. Parents were William CURNOW and Elizabeth BOLITHO who married at Towednack 14th August 1799. To the very best of my knowledge (I again stress contact with Bill) the details for William are as follows:- Baptised 15th August 1779 at Towednack son of William and Margery. William CURNOW married Margery EDDY 15th April 1777 at Towednack. This William in turn was baptised 13th October 1734 at Towednack son of William CURNOW and Jone TREWHELLA who were married at Towednack 30th July 1731. William baptised 6th June 1697 at Towednack son of David CURNOW and Jane ROBERTS who married 24th January 1692 at Towednack. David was the son of Robert and Catherine (nee PAINTER) with Robert then being son of the 'original' Thomas and Catherine CURNOW. There are still some things that certainly I have not yet determined and this is largely due to the amount of people of the same name who were buried with no age recorded. No burials yet for:- William CURNOW or his wife Jone (nee TREWHELLA). William - father of your John of 1815. Taking another look at my database there is something else I need to mention.  When William CURNOW married Margery in 1777 she had already been married. She was Margery RICHARDS baptised 1st May 1743 at Zennor daughter of John RICHARDS and Alice DONITHORNE. She first married William EDDY at Zennor 5th February 1764. I am yet to determine exactly which William EDDY this was and I am not sure of his burial. I hope this helps sort out the problem for you. Now - could you tell me something about John of 1815 please. I have done little or no work on the Curnow family for quite some time now so do not know any details of John's marriage etc. Please feel free to join in on any thread here and just make yourself at home. CT |
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Post by sue on Apr 22, 2009 15:39:07 GMT -5
Gooodness me how quick - THANKYOU. I was tempted in the direction you say of the Curnow ancestry, but needed encouragement.
I will also take your advice and email Bill Curnow @ the Parish Clerk email address.
John Curnow christened 1815 Lelant, but of Towednack, married in St Ives 10 January 1841: to Mary Roach, daughter of John Roach. Both fathers, and John, are shown as miners; the bride & groom are both resident at St Ives at that date.
I cannot find them in the 1841 census a few months later, but in 1851 John & Mary are at Tin Crofts, Towednack, Lelant 1861, Polpear, Lelant at the time of my GGfather's christening in 1864, and at Wheal Kitty, Lelant in 1871.
Their children are born at first in St Ives, then mostly Towednack, then lastly Lelant:
John c 1843
James c 1846
Frances c1848
Elizabeth Jane c 1850
Mary 1851
William c 1856
Robert c 1858
Emily c 1860
Thomas 14/7/1864
John dies, I think, in 1877 - but I haven't yet sent for the birth certificate.
In 1881 Mary is a widow, still at Wheal Kitty. Mary, Robert & Thomas are still with her; the boys are mining.
In 1891 Mary is living with married daughter Emily, and her husband John Michell @ Baldue, Ludgvan. She died probably December 1900 - again, I haven't sent for death certificate yet (I have some birth certs & marriage, & know I must get round to some deaths!)
My Thomas, their youngest, mined abroad, inc S Africa, I found, with help of St Ives Archive, but found time to marry my GGran, who I knew, in October 1899. In 1900 he steamed to US; Fed Census has him June 1900 in Victor, Teller, Colorado, gold mining.
And then I am stuck. Well not quite; have a photo taken at a San Francisco Masons thing in 1904, which is what started me off on family research last year when I found in in my father's possessions.
I'm told Thomas died c1906 in a mining accident in US - injured on underground train probably; we think by then maybe in Black Hills of South Dakota, where brother-in-law was.
Anyway, hopes that's of some interest for now!
May I ask, are you the Ian involved in those Trewhella, Glasson, Uren and so on marvellous family histories elsewhere on the Cornish Genealogy Database? If so, I expect it won't surprise you that they all tie in to my family, on the non-Curnow side.
Anyway, exhilarated and exhausted from my first contact on a forum, and a beautiful day off from work today here in Cambs, thanks again; I am so pleased with your posting.
Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 22, 2009 17:40:18 GMT -5
Hi Sue - yes, my name has been bandied around a bit with some of those histories but probably more with the Trewhella side.  I do not profess to know everything and I probably still have some errors in my database - but this type of forum gradually helps sort some of them out. And involvement here has led to many other links that I had not found or, in some cases, not gotten around to searching for in he past. Thanks for the information on your Curnow line and I will try and do a bit of searching to add to it. I am sure we will be having more discussions here and I think you will find a few others getting involved with different parts of your family. So keep posting away and have fun. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 22, 2009 17:54:43 GMT -5
Sue - you mentioned there being about 6 William Curnows who might have been involved in the 1777 marriage so I will try and eliminate at least a couple for you. 1. 13th October 1734 s/o Wm and Jone Looking below you will find this has to be the man who married Margery in 1777. 2. 16th June 1734 s/o John and Mary buried 18th June 1748 Towednack 3. 15th February 1740 s/o William and Jane buried 26th April 1784 Towednack Will written 24th April 1784 and proved 13th May 1784 names brothers Jacob, Hannibal and Robert as well a mother Jane of Ludgvan. 4. 15th September 1745 s/o William and Sarah buried 14th September 1747 Towednack 5. 1st May 1748 s/o James and Jane married Alice RICHARDS 15th February 1772 Zennor buried 27th March 1787 Zennor 6. 3rd June 1753 s/o John and Elizabeth married Martha HUMPHRIES 9th June 1783 Towednack buried Towednack 26th July 1816 age 63 At least that's the way I see it and how it currently appears in my database. CT PS - I think it might be a good idea to continue any further discussion on the CURNOW family in the 'CURNOW' Thread in 'Surnames of General Interest'. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 22, 2009 18:54:21 GMT -5
Sue - the only Thomas CURNOW I can find having died in South Dakota about the right time was a Thomas J CURNOW 19th March 1907 Lawrence County - age 44.
This is most likely the Thomas James CURNOW born in the March Qtr of 1863 Penzance R.D.
There is no record for a Thomas CURNOW death in Colorado around that time either.
There is a Thomas H CURNOW 6th May 1906 in California - age 43 (?) but again this is unlikely to be him but rather the Thomas Henry born in the March Qtr of 1864 Penzance R.D.
There are three States exhausted but I will try and hunt around tonight and see if I can find him.
Nevada is another possibility so I might start there tonight.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 23, 2009 8:46:34 GMT -5
Sue - some comments and questions. I have also searched the 1841 Census and can find no sign of John and Mary. I tried many variations including simply searching on Chrstian name but still found nothing. Found the family in 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881. I also found Mary and Emily in 1891 but can find no sign of Thomas! Now, working from your information it seems that your Thomas was Thomas Herbert CURNOW when he married in 1899. And it also appears probable that his wife was Emma Jane C THOMAS. Questions:- Do you have any idea of where Thomas was in 1881? Was he 'Thomas Herbert' when he married? If so then where did the 'Herbert' come from? If the marriage I have identified is correct then where was Emma in 1901? Again based on information provided I have continued a search for the possible death of Thomas in the USA. But on looking at the marriage record it now appears possible that the 1906 Death in California might be the right one. Thomas H CURNOW died 5th June 1906 Stanislaus County, California. The age could be either 42 or 43 but the index, even though typed, is very difficult to read. Following this I had another look at the 1900 Census record you mentioned and I am slightly perplexed. The details are:- Victor Town, Teller County, Colorado Thomas H CURNOW Lodger White Male Born July 1864 Age 35 Married born England both parents born England YEAR OF IMMIGRATION - 1882 YEARS IN United States - 18 NATURALISED occupation - gold miner Take particular note that this fellow immigrated to the US in 1882 and had been there for 18 years - he was also NATURALISED. I have downloaded a copy of all of these documents and have them saved to a folder in case you need them. There are obvious questions out of this - particularly the 1900 Census! So I think I will await further news from you before proceeding. CT |
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Post by aberystwythian13 on Oct 12, 2009 10:38:11 GMT -5
Hi I have just drafted a tree for my wife`s friend inc Wm CURNOW&Eliz BOLITHO ( linked to the banking family of Ponsandane PZ.) I am struggling to sort out my wifes CURNOWs- derived from Ann 1788 Lud (d ofThos/Mgt mc 1770) who md Mic TAYLOR 1809Lud- with a friend in Oz.He says there is a local book about the family starting with Thos b1588 St Keverne CON who d1643Tow with wife Cath c1592-1635Tow. If you enter Jacob b 1749 St Ives in the IGI you can trace the earlier line. I am working on the basis that Wm 1697 Tow m1 1731 Tow Jone TREWHELLA and then Jane DANIELS in 1736.Some Wills show big estates but I am struggling to fit in the children and g.c of Hannibal whose Will was proven in 1784. However the gg/s Hy Han Curnow PHILLIPS s of Hy/Mgt nee CURNOWwho was b 1817 Lud certainly ends up with my wife`s people in Boskennal ,Lud . If you wld like my files of work in progress my address is :dghenley1@hotmail.co.uk.
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Post by aberystwythian13 on Oct 12, 2009 10:41:42 GMT -5
address is: dghenley1@hotmail.co.uk!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2009 13:42:17 GMT -5
aberystwythian13 - that's a handful to type!  Welcome to the site. I will be happy to help with your Curnows and have done a lot of work on the family in the past. But I had best start by saying that 'in my opinion' the early Thomas Curnow of Zennor was not the Thomas baptised at St Keverne in 1588. At least if he was baptised in 1588 then he must have been born a number of years before that! Of his family I have 12 children. We know son Matthew was baptised at Towednack in 1620 and I believe probably ten of his siblings were older than him. That would mean the eldest was born late 1500's or very, very early 1600's making it impossible for a person born in 1588 to be the father. In fact the estimate is that the eldest child was Henry and that he was born about 1597. Much work still to be done though on the earliest part of the family at Zennor and Towednack. Much of the rest I will be able to help with and you will find a thread here already dealing with part of the family you have mentioned. The William who married Jone Trewhella was married only the once. He was the son of David Curnow and Jane Roberts. The William who married Jane Daniel was the son of Michael Curnow and Margery Rosewall. CT |
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Post by sue on Oct 13, 2009 11:58:29 GMT -5
Hi Aberystwythian 13. Your wife's family: from analysing the 17th/18th century PRs for Towednack, speaking as a Curnow I am pretty confident that as CT says The William who married Jone Trewhella was married only the once.
He was the son of David Curnow and Jane Roberts.
The William who married Jane Daniel was the son of Michael Curnow and Margery Rosewall.
I know that there are family trees out there on various websites that indicate some people see it as you currently do/did, but I think they may perhaps not be fully researched, and are mainly from a few years ago. The origins of the apparent 1st Curnow at Towednack, Thomas Curnow who died in 1643, is not entirely clear; there are Curnows from the 1500s appearing in the incomplete PRs surviving from other parishes in Cornwall. It may be that the local book on the Curnows your friend is referring to is the yellow bound copy of family trees produced I think in the 1990s by members of the Curnow clan; if it is that, my understanding is that it was not published by a commercial independent publishing company/printing press in the normal sense, so would not be available from a bookshop/amazon etc.  Regarding your friend's family that includes William Curnow who married Elizabeth Bolitho 13/8/1799: I would be interested if you were able to post information regarding sources of information for this specific Bolitho lady – date of birth, parentage etc? Sue |
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Post by Sarch on Oct 14, 2009 1:22:31 GMT -5
Hi Sue Do I have a mix up here or did William the son of Michael Curnow and Margery Rosewall marry twice? I have William Curnow as the son of Michael Curnow and Margery Rosewall married to Sarah James on 29 Oct 1737 in Towednack Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 14, 2009 4:26:46 GMT -5
Sarch - from my work the William Curnow who married Sarah James at Towednack in 1737 was the son of John Curnow and Honour Ninnes.
No baptism has been found for him as far as I know but that is where he belongs.
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Post by Sarch on Oct 14, 2009 5:41:22 GMT -5
Hi CT
Thanks for the information on William Curnow and Sarah James - I have moved him to the correct spot.
Regards
Sarch
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