William and Priscilla - USA

[Cornish Terrier]

Doing a bit of hunting around the USA for a few of my Trewhella clan and came across the following:-

1870 Census - 23rd December 1870

1st Electoral District 20th Ward
New York, New York

10th Avenue

Wm QUICK, age 57, male, carpenter, born England
Priscilla do., age 54, female, born England
Wm H do., age 18, male, born England

There was a William Henry QUICK birth registered March Qtr 1853 Penzance R.D.

I am sure this is William QUICK married Priscilla Vine WILLIAMS 27th May 1838 at Madron.

William was born about 1813 according to the 1851 Census and Priscilla about 1816 and both ages equate to the above in the 1870 New York Census.

AND - William was a carpenter!

BTW - he was the son of John and Amy QUICK of whom we have spoken before.

You can find 'em in Somerset and now I can find 'em in New York! ;D

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Hmm - I think it was some group like the Kinks?

They seek him here, they seek him there

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Turn this into a KINK Session and people may start wondering about your Dress Sense!

I have not been looking forward to trying to track down 'our' Quicks in the US so it was a real bonus to stumble across that one while I was looking for something else!

With so many appearing on the Immigrant lists as having come out of Ireland it is going to be a nightmare to sort out those that actually came from West Cornwall.

That is unless I havemore accidental finds or we can start with a little more information to make it easier to identify them.

Will be keeping my eye out for any more that might belong to us.

Meanwhile it is back to the hunt for me!

CT

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CT

I am sure this is William QUICK married Priscilla Vine WILLIAMS 27th May 1838 at Madron.

William was born about 1813 according to the 1851 Census and Priscilla about 1816 and both ages equate to the above in the 1870 New York Census.

AND - William was a carpenter!

BTW - he was the son of John and Amy QUICK of whom we have spoken before.

I thought that the William who married Priscilla Williams was the son of William Quick and Margaret Polmear?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

William, husband of Priscilla, was born before William Quick married Margaret Polmear.

The son of William and Margaret was bp. 23rd July 1815 at St Ives with the marriage having occurred at Towednack 20th January 1815.

The husband of Priscilla was age 37 in the 1851 Census and stated birthplace was Penzance.
In the 1870 Census in New York his age was recorded as 57 and, like his father John, he was a carpenter.

I do not have a baptism for William s/o John and Amy as yet but I am sure it will have been at Penzance about 1813.

Also - When William Quick married Priscilla Vine Williams in 1838 his father's name was recorded as John Quick, millwright!

CT

At this point in time I have no further information for the son of William and Margaret so it is something that will need looking at.

[Cornish Terrier]

I thought I had just found William s/o William and Margaret in the 1851 Census.

Looking at FreeCen there is a William Quick age 35, born St Just, blacksmith, Prisoner at Bodmin Gaol.

I decided to check the original of this to see if 'St Just' might actually have been 'St Ives'.

BUT HERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter how I search I cannot find any record of any of the nmes listed in FreeCen as being occupants of Bodmin Gaol in the original 1851 Census index.

I even tried using the Folio number etc. and none of the information is recognised!

1851 Census
110 Records found displaying records 1 to 100


Piece: HO107/1904 Place: Lanlivery -Cornwall Enumeration District: 16
Civil Parish: Bodmin Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 474 Page: 38 Schedule: 146
Address: County Gaol

Piece 1904, Folio 474 is simply not recognised.

Whilst Piece 1904 is certainly recognised if you use 'Prisoner' as 'Relationship to Head' there is absolutely no data available.

It would appear, therefore, that there is a problem somewhere and that the entire population of Bodmin Gaol is missing from the Original Census data on Ancestry!!!

*** I have just sent an email to Ancestry about the problem and hope to have an answer in the next few days. ***

However - back to William QUICK. ;D

Okay - I have just checked for William QUICK baptised at St Just and IGI shows No Result so I am of the opinion that the birthplace, 'St Just', as recorded in FreeCEN is a misreading of what is probably 'St Ives'.

The only William QUICKs I have record of who were born around this time were:-

19th June 1812 St Ives s/o Edward and Grace
He can be found in the 1851 Census at St George's, Middlesex with wife Elizabeth and six children.

3rd July 1818 Towednack s/o Thomas and Grace
He was buried at Lelant 20th December 1822

circa 1813 Penzance s/o John and Amy
He is now definitely the man who married Priscilla Vine WILLIAMS and can be found in the 1851 Census with wife and family.

Earlier than this we go back to the son of William and Elizabeth at Marhamchurch in 1801.

Later than this we are looking at the son of James and Ann at Madron in 1822.

Which leaves:-

William s/o William and Margaret QUICK bp. 23rd July 1815 at St Ives ;D

In 1851 this blighter was in Jug and doin' time! ;D

QUICK William Prisnr U M 35 Blacksmith Cornwall - St Just

Notice also that his occupation was 'Blacksmith' which was an occupation shared by his brother Paul.

Next step for William is to find him in 1861 and beyond.

And I cannot find him at all in England in 1861 either in FreeCEN or in the 1861 Census at Ancestry.

We perhaps need to see if we can find out just why he was 'doin' time' as it is possible he may have been transported.

Over to you!

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CT

I do not have a baptism for William s/o John and Amy as yet but I am sure it will have been at Penzance about 1813.

Also - When William Quick married Priscilla Vine Williams in 1838 his father's name was recorded as John Quick, millwright!

Yep, I can live with that. I do not remember how I came to the conclusion that he was the son of William and Margaret, and I do not think I had the note that he was the son of John, the millwright (who appears in the 1841 census as such).

As to the William, proposed son of William and Margaret, I have him in the 1841 census as working as a tin miner and boarding with a certain Jane Polmear, at Tremeda in Zennor. I have to say that I would not be surprised if maybe he was born at St Just, baptised at St Ives - who knows.

At this stage I am happy enough to leave it at that.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

At this stage I am happy enough to leave it at that.

I thought you might like to try and find out how he ended up in Bodmin Gaol. ;D

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Hmmm

So who is the 40 year old William Quick, mariner, from St Ives, a lodger, living at Liverpool in Lancashire? ;D

Maybe William Gregory Quick?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

In which year??? - 1851?

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Might help eh? Yes 1851.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Seem to be a little short on options with this one.

William Gregory Quick was baptised in 1815 - six years after his previous known sibling - so could be an option but .....

Also notice the other St Ives men lodging in the same establishment:-

Wm FRANCIS
Charles WOOLCOCK
John GREENFELL
Wm GREENFELL
Richd LARRY
Thos TOMAN
Moses GREENFELL

All mariners and possibly from the same vessel.

Notice also that William says he is married!

Another thing to think about :-

FreeBMD Deaths

1839 Penzance R.D. June Qtr Vol 9 Page 118
William Gregory QUICK

I know of only three of this name:-

1815 s/o George and Mary
1843 s/o Charles Wedge and Elizabeth - He died in 1852
1887 s/o Charles and Elizabeth Ann

The earliest birth recorded in FreeBMD for all of England for this name is 1843 and there is no other of the name recorded in the St Ives baptisms.

On that basis I would say that William Gregory QUICK could not be the man at Liverpool in 1851.

It does still leave us with an identity problem though.

Hmmmm - I reckon I can tell you exactly who he is! (Even though his age is still out by a couple of years!)

He is the same bloke who was the subject of the query regarding the loss of the 'Bristol' in 1869!! ;D

If you take a look at the 1851 Census you will not find him in Cornwall.

But you will find his wife Alice 'visiting' her parents Job and Alice Stevens.

How's that!

CT

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Yep, that will do it for me.

Lannanta