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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 20:11:17 GMT -5
CT et al
What do you think ever happened to Thomas Quick, baptised 28 July 1805 at Towednack, son of William Quick and Elizabeth HOLLOW?
Is he the Thomas in the 1861 census, married to Elizabeth, living at Feock, mariner aged 56? The daughter with them is Catherine S. (Smith I think) Quick. Is this his second wife Elizabeth Phillips nee May (widow) and married at Mylor 21 Jul 1853? If this is the correct marriage then it does say that he was married before, but to who?
There is a baptism at St Ives for Thomas William Quick on the 31 March 1833 to Thomas and Elizabeth Quick - is this possibly a birth from the first marriage?
Lannanta ;D
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Post by gandolf on Mar 1, 2009 0:58:08 GMT -5
mmmm...
At the moment I have this Thomas Quick just hanging around in mid air, with nothing after his baptism.
The age for Thomas in the 1861 census is right, but there is not a lot of other support.
What is odd is that the first reference I can find to the Thomas you mention, or his apparent daughter Catherine S Quick is the entry in the 1861 census.
Thomas does not seem to appear in the 1841 or 1851 censuses, nor does Catherine S Quick seem to be in the 1851 census (where she should have been around 10 years old).
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2009 8:35:21 GMT -5
Things a little hectic at the moment preparing for tomorrow but ... The daughter Catherine S QUICK is Catherine Smith QUICK whose birth is registered in FreeBMD in 1841 (March Qtr Vol 9 Page 207). Thomas QUICK's second wife was Elizabeth Harvey MAY and they were married at Mylor 21st July 1853 with Thomas dying in the Truro R.D. in 1872 age 66. At this stage I know only of that one child. Elizabeth Harvey MAY was first married to John PHILLIPS at Mylor 3rd April 1838 and I have not yet found any children from that marriage. The rest is still an unknown to me but please remind me to look further into it - just another 'loose end' for me to deal with.  ;D CT |
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 2, 2009 14:36:46 GMT -5
Quick family.
My "pennyworth", unsourced (other than UK Census returns):
The elder Thomas 1805, Towednack: his middle name could be QUICK (I do have a source for that) ie Thomas Quick Quick.
I "have" a Catherine Quick aged 10, born St Ives, parents Thomas and Jane, 1851, Parish: Feock, living with niece Grace Quick, aged 21.
And in 1861, apparently the same Grace, with a family by the name of Mitchele, her parents listed as Thomas and Elizabeth, Parish: Feock.
I could be barking up the wrong Tree......
David.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 20:44:47 GMT -5
David I am a bit confused. In the 1851 census, looking at the actual entry, Catherine is living at Devoren in Feock with Grace. It is a bit weird, but Grace, aged 21 is listed as a niece born in Towednack, and Catherine aged 10 is a daughter born in St Ives. But the parents are missing. The Mitchell family (Thomas and Jane) referred to in the census index are living next door. Grace would have been born around 1830 in Towednack and I only have one option for her and that is daughter of John Arthur and Honour (completely unknown to me at this stage). My best guess is that by 1851 Thomas (bap 1806) would have been a widower, and if this is his family at Feock then he is most likely away at sea on census night. He remarried agin in 1853. And so in 1861 Thomas and his second wife Elizabeth are at Devoran in Feock with mariner's daughter Catherine S. now aged 20 years - born St Ives. Thomas is aged 56, born Towednack and Elizabeth is 50 born in Mylor. In 1871 Thomas is a retired mariner and a widower again still living in Feock. Catherine is an unemployed governess living in Penzance. I believe that Thomas probably died in 1872 in the Truro district. So, I still do not know who his first wife was, and I am not 100% convinced of who he actually is.  Lannanta |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 21:41:24 GMT -5
Just another thought
The Grace who is listed as a niece is most likely the daughter of Honour QUICK and John ARTHUR who were married at Lelant in 1827. I think that there is something unusual going on here because there is also an uncle Thomas Quick involved here as well - albeit ten years out. Both children of Thomas QUICK and Grace JOHNS.
Food for thought
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2009 23:00:44 GMT -5
Firstly - I have no doubt that Thomas was the son of William and Elizabeth (nee HOLLOW). I think she is not quite 'unknown'. Just realised I do not have this Grace in my database but I do believe I know who she is. Why she is recorded as Grace Quick QUICK I do not know but she will no doubt be the daughter of:- John ARTHUR m. Honor QUICK 29th November 1827 at Lelant FreeBMD Deaths:- 1839 Penzance R.D. September Qtr Vol 9 Page 109 Grace Quick ARTHUR And this, of course, means that we are still to identify the Grace QUICK recorded in the 1851 Census. Lannanta - where is the reference to 'uncle Thomas QUICK'  Further - if this Thomas was son of Thomas and Grace (nee JOHNS) then there must be a second Thomas in this family that I am unaware of. My records indicate that Thomas (bp. 26th December 1815) son of Thomas and Grace was buried at Lelant 20th June 1817 age 2. So it would be most helpful if you could point me to that reference. Will have another attempt to find that elusive first wife! |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2009 23:54:02 GMT -5
A couple of further thoughts regarding Grace QUICK. Because her stated birthplace was Towednack it does not necessary follow that she was baptised there and she may even have been baptised in one of the non-conformist chapels. I also think it unlikely that the reference of 'niece' has anything to do with the MITCHEL family living next door. We know Thomas QUICK was from Towednack yet the MITCHELs were born at Feock and Egloshayle. Assuming that we are looking at the household of an 'absent' Thomas QUICK then it is worth a look through the families of his siblings. Brother James had a daughter named Grace (in fact there were two with the earlier, 1836, apparently dying young) but she was born about 1841. So - is there another error in the Census? AHA - thinking back to the problem of Grace Quick QUICK d/o John Arthur and Honor has given me an idea!  And from that idea I think I can possibly now identify 'niece Grace Quick'.  Thomas QUICK had another niece named Grace who just happened to be born in 1829 at Towednack.  Grace Quick TREWHELLA who was the daughter of Thomas' sister Grace and her husband Matthew TREWHELLA. Grace is not at home with Matthew and Grace in 1851 and I do not recall ever having found her in the 1851 Census. She married George BRYANT at Towednack in 1853. I think it a very good possibility that this is the 'niece' at Feock in 1851.  I am still having difficulty finding a first wife for Thomas but the question must be asked - why was his daughter named Catherine SMITH Quick? Also - the Thomas William QUICK bp. at St Ives in 1833 appears to have died in 1839 so we cannot get any help there.  CT |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 2:26:08 GMT -5
CT Agreed I guess that you found this in the 1851 census? I also thought that Grace was the housekeeper while Uncle Thomas was away at sea. I agree and therefore you are probably already aware that the reference you seek does not exist.  Logical and follows but a big call to say that Grace forgot she was a TREWHELLA. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 4, 2009 4:21:49 GMT -5
Quite true - but I have seen more unusual things in Census records and she is the only Grace of the right age and birthplace who was a niece to Thomas. (And I could not find her as TREWHELLA in the 1851 Census!)
CT
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