Tonkins.... is this reasonable?

[Mal]

With relation to my other post on the Tonkin trouble I am having, I have a more specific query:-

There is definitely and Edward Tregurtha, however I find one IGI record only to connect him to a Dorothy Tonkin, married in 1695 in Paul (another record gives David yet I can find no David Tregurthas at all in the record, Edward and David may be misreadings in my opinion).
However an Edward Tregurtha children are confirmed:-
Thomas 1696
Noy 1697-1701
Edward 1700
Noy 1702
Philip 1703
Dorothy 1707
John 1708
Nicholas 1711-1715
Mary 1714
Jane 1716
Elizabeth 1720

All born at Paul.

I am not sure about the latter children as it would have made Dorothy Tonkin fairly old, but it did happen. It is the earlier more certain children that interest me. The names THOMAS, NOY and DOROTHY, especially as the Tonkin family had the habit of using surnames as first names through female lines, it is beginning to suggest something....

There is a problem with this Dorothy Tonkin however, I can find no direct evidence of her yet but I have found that in 1672 Thomas Tonkin married Doryty Noye in Paul. If they had a daughter Dorothy that would put her around the right age to marry Edward Tregurtha and would perhaps explain the naming of the Edward and Dorothy()'s children.


OKAY!!! Am I being reasonable, or am I reading too much into things? Need some more expert advice here?

[Cornish Terrier]

Malcolm - I have had that family in my database since 1999!

I think it must have been because of the 1753 Will of Thomas TREGURTHA of Paul.

Thomas married Ann HUTCHEN at Paul 5th June 1725 and I have him recorded as the eldest son of Edward and Dorothy.

I also have a note for Dorothy suggesting the likelihood of her being daughter of Thomas TONKEN and Doryty NOYE as you suggest.

Do not be too concerned about her age either.

Her parents were married 30th November 1672 so we might expect young Dorothy to be born sometime after that!

That being the likely case then she would be less than 48 at the baptism of her last recorded child in 1720.

There was a daughter Mary baptised to Thomas TONKIN at Paul 21st September 1673 (IGI) - but there also appears to have been another Thomas in the area given some baptisms prior to 1672.

But there is a Noye TONKEN baptised in 1680 who is probably a son of Thomas and Dorothy.

Might take a bit of sorting out with two of the blighters about but ...

See if that is any help.

CT

[Mal]

Hi CT, is there a copy of the will you mention floating about? It would be interesting to have a look at!!! I am glad someone else has noticed what I did. I am becoming increasingly warier of the easy assumptions I may have made before... as they say when you ass/u/me you do two things an ass out of U and an ass out of ME!!!
The naming of the children of Edward and Dorothy is what swings the pendulum in "our" favour, especially as the Noyes were quite an important family in the 17th century and I can well imagine their descendants "keeping" the name alive as was much the case. I am beginning to see a linking of families crystalising here, Noye, Tonkin, Newton etc.... Hmm. it is getting interesting now...

[Cornish Terrier]

is there a copy of the will you mention floating about?

I am not really sure about that.

I have references to it in my database but it is not included in the 'collections' of Wills abstracts that I have.

Just wondering if it may have been something my cousin looked at when she was at the CRO back then.

If it came from Nancy then I should have the brief details here somewhere - but it will most probably only include the names mentioned.

I can tell you that Edward was the only son named and youngest daughter Ann is mentioned as being 'under 21'.

The inference is that all other children had pre-deceased him.

The Will was written 27th August 1753 at Paul.

Son Edward married (as far as I know) Anne HEAD at Paul 14th May 1764.

I currently only know of one son to this marriage - Edward bp. 5th August 1766 at Paul. (IGI)

Best can do on that one for the moment.

CT

[Mal]

Hang on a second, the Edward I am referring to is Edward TREGURTHA, not Edward TONKIN whom I also came across....

[Cornish Terrier]

That's who I am talking about too!

Will of Thomas TREGURTHA, fisherman of Paul, written 27th August 1753 at Paul.

He was the eldest son (bp. 17th May 1696 Paul) of Edward TREGURTHA and Dorothy (nee TONKIN).

Thomas TREGURTHA m. Anne HUTCHEN 5th June 1725 Paul.

Seven children:-
Rebeha bp. 21st May 1726 Paul
Thomas bp. 1st December 1728 Paul
EDWARD bp. 9th August 1730 Paul
Thomas bp. 24th June 1732 Paul
William bp. 21st February 1734 Paul
Ann bp. 6th August 1737 Paul
ANN bp. 13th November 1743 Paul

EDWARD (only son named in father's Will) m. Anne HEAD 14th May 1764 Paul and had one son (that I know of) - Edward bp. 5th August 1766 Paul.

ANN - named in father's Will as 'under 21'.

The Dorothy TONKIN above (w/o Edward TREGURTHA) is most probably the daughter of Thomas TONKEN and Doryty (nee NOYE).

CT

[Mal]

Hi CT,

Sorry about the confusion but I have several Tonkin links at around the same time and the names Thomas and Edward abound.

I think I am also linked to the other Thomas Tonkin you mention in the late 17th century at Paul.

Thomas Tonkin marries Amy Newton 13 Feb 1670 at Paul, daughter Margaret Tonkin marries William Paul in 1710.

I found an early will my William Noye that mentions granddaughter Amy Newton but it seems just a little too early to be the same person. Amy Newton is the dauhter of Isaac Newton (just a coincidence although it seems the name Isaac was a tradtiion in this family so who knows!!! ) I also found an Iseck Tonkin born to Thomas Tonkin who must be the son of Thomas and Amey. It is difficult with these Tonkins and also the Paul scribe did not help by not recording the mothers' names!!!!

On another tack, I found in the 1753 will of Thomas Tonken of Paul, his wife Elizabeth (if my memory serves me correctly) and his daughter JANE married to Edward Tonkin.... confusing.

Thomas Tonkin who marries Amy Newton is, I think the son of Edward Tonkin and Jane Tonkin!!! I am not sure as it is all getting confusing.

There does seem to be a link between the Tonkin families and the Noye families and furthermore the Tonkin families and the Newtons, Heads and Tregurthas all at Paul and all called Edward or Thomas!!!