Clearing Up Loose Ends

[Cornish Terrier]

Thought I would start a new thread to deal with some of those annoying loose ends we have.

I have now identified the second wife of Benedict QUICK who was baptised at St Ives 16th January 1791 s/o John and Jane.

But there is still at least one problem.

Benedict was first married to Elizabeth RICHARDS 10th November 1822 at St Ives and must have died prior to August 1863 when Benedict, as a widower, married for the second time.

I have located Benedict in the 1861 Census and Elizabeth was then still living.

The problem is that I cannot find a Death Record for her - anywhere!

The Census records are consistent with her age and birthplace indicating her birth about 1794 at St Ives.

In this case she is almost certainly the Elisabeth baptised 2nd December 1793 at St Ives d/o David and Elizabeth (nee HAIN).

Elizabeth HAIN is probably Elizabeth HAYNE bp. 28th October 1770 St Ives d/o William Harry and Margery (nee THOMAS) HAIN.

Afraid I have digressed a little - but she does classify as a 'loose end'.

And now to the second wife of Benedict QUICK - Jane THOMAS, widow, daughter of Thomas WARREN.

I had my suspicions about her identity some time ago but had difficulty finding anything to support them.

But now I have found what I need.

In the 1861 Census at Fore Street, St Ives, Jane THOMAS was recorded as 'unmarried', age 66 and living on her own.

This seemed the only possible Jane THOMAS to have married Benedict QUICK.

So I had a look for her in 1851 and had a hard time of it.
I eventually used FreeCEN to help and eventually found her.
In FreeCEN she is listed as JANE but in the index for Ancestry her name is transcribed as JAM!

Jane is then age 56, widow, living at Digey, St Ives her daughter Mary Ann then age 13.

This looks much more like the required spouse.

Her age on both occasions gives a birth of around 1794/1795 and IGI shows only one possible Jane WARREN as follows:-

Jane d/o Thomas and Jane WARREN bp. 31st May 1795 St Ives.

Thomas WARREN, mariner, married Jane JOHNS 20th April 1794 at St Ives.

Thomas appears to have died within a few years as his widow then married Matthew HARVEY at St Ives 22nd August 1802.

The next part of the problem was that I could not find a marriage for Jane WARREN to anyone named THOMAS which indicated two things.
Either the marriage was elsewhere or not in currently available PRs OR that the marriage to Benedict QUICK was actually a THIRD marriage for Jane.

What I have found is:-

Thomas ROWE married Jane WARREN 22nd March 1817 St Ives
James THOMAS married Jane ROWE 15th June 1836 St Ives

Now to check children, burials etc.

There are two Thomas ROWEs buried at St Ives around the right time.
One in 1831 age 66 is probable a little two old being 30 years senior to Jane.

But the other might be the one.
Thomas ROWE buried 13th January 1834 age 51 (born about 1783).

I have found three children for Thomas and Jane ROWE:-

Jane Johns bp. 4th June 1819
Ann bp. 1st August 1823
Alice bp. 11th July 1828

;D ;D

An entry on the OPC site from the West Briton supports the above:-

17th June 1836
James THOMAS, builder married Mrs Jane ROWE, widow at St Ives last week

I just love it when a plan comes together! ;D

And the 1841 Census

Digey, St Ives
James THOMAS, 50, joiner
Jane do., 45
Mary do., 4
Alice ROW, 13

That about seals it nicely.

Re: Thomas ROWE - his occupation was recorded as 'labourer' or 'mason' so the 1834 burial is most likely him.
Had he been a mariner I would have had doubts but it does now seem we are looking for a Thomas ROWE born about 1783.

Apart from checking for further children and the burial for Jame THOMAS that is yet anoher 'loose end' very much tidied up. ;D

CT

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CT

This maybe an appropriate place to ask this question then?

In the 1851 census there is a Robert Quick and his wife Mary (Stevens) living at the Wharf in St Ives. Robert is a blacksmith. Robert married Mary late in 1841 and therefore in the 1841 census Robert is unmarried and appears to be living at Goldsithney.

In the 1841 census there is another Robert and Mary, no children, living at St Ives and this Robert is a joiner. At this stage the only Robert, who is a joiner, I can find in 1851 to match this man is Robert and Martha living out of Cornwall in Staffs, but both are born in Cornwall, plus 2 children, Martha and Mary. In 1861 Robert and Martha are back in St Ives and Robert is still a joiner.

So, given that both Roberts appear in the 1851 census, it must be that we are dealing with two men.

My confusion relates to the Mary who appears with Robert the joiner in the 1841 census - she is either his first wife, or Mary is actually Martha?

Appreciate your thoughts.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Easy fixed my riend.

Robert was bp. 21st July 1799 at s/o James and Jane (another of our 'loose ends'!)

'Mary' was his first wife Mary SANDOW whom he married at St Ives 18th July 1824.

To my knowledge there were no children from this marriage and Mary died at St Ives 28th September 1843 age 41. (courtesy West Briton).

Robert then married Martha PEARCE at Lelant 30th April 1844 and had two daughters of which the second was born in Manchester.

The first daugter, Martha Pearce Quick, married David Rusell at St Ives 28th December 1862. (David was an 'engineer of Santander in Spain')

I have not yet found what became of Robert, Martha or the second daughter Mary Jane.

Ian

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CT

Well done me handsome. ;D I never actually thought of the second wife scenario until I was writing the text. I originally had the two Roberts mixed up in my spreadsheet as you may well see. All clear now.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

That's called 'teamwork'. ;D

BTW - Just about finished on one of my 'let's get side-tracked' scenarios.

Somehow ended up with Philippa GLASSON/Nicholas CHARD on my screen and realised I did not have the marriage.

In fact, at that stage I did not know she was a GLASSON but noticed the name amongst their children.

What a nightmare! - been led into GRENFELL, NOALL sundry other families but now about complete except for a few baptisms etc.

If you are interested I can let you know whatever details you want.

I really pursued it because of my own connection with Philippa but had to expand and work out the rest of the family.

Unfortunately it stops with Oliver CHARD who married Elizabeth STEPHENS at Kwneyn in 1798.
They moved immediately to St Ives where, apart from brief interludes in Phillack and Penzance, they stayed.

Oliver was a soldier in the Somerset Militia but I cannot find anything resembling a baptism or birthplace for him.

Oh Well - a bit more for the Glasson family anyway!

CT

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I have a little information on this family but I have no idea where it originated from.

I have that Nicholas Wedge Chard married Phillippa Glasson (dau of Jakeh Glasson) on the 26th June 1856 ( I do not know where) and they had 11 children:

Nicholas Wedge
William Thomas
Joseph
Phillipa Glasson - married Benedict Quick & John Farrell
Robert
Emma
Robert
Wilmot
Ann Quick
Oliver
Jakeh


Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

The marriage occurred at St Ives.

Jakeh was born 'Jakeh Glasson CHARD' in 1877 and died that same year.

Philippa CHARD (nee GLASSON) died in 1888 age 54.
Nicholas died in 1915 age 79.

If you want more info just let me know and I will pass on what I have found.

CT

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CT

Was the 75 year old Elizabeth Quick living at Trevessa in the 1841 census Elizabeth Hollow, wife of William Quick?

Or was she the daughter of James Quick and Catherine Trewhella and the wife of James Quick.

Whichever one she is, I guess the other one is the 71 year old living in the same place in the 1841 census.

Lannant

[Cornish Terrier]

A most interesting question!

Both were baptised in the same year (1766) with one in January and the other in April.

But it turns out that it was the 'younger' of these who was the more 'vain'.

The Elizabeth aged 71 was the mother of Robert who married Catherine TREWHELLA and she is with that family in 1841.

Which means she was the daughter of James Quick who married Catherine Trewhella.


CT

[Sarch]

Hi CT

Benedict was first married to Elizabeth RICHARDS 10th November 1822 at St Ives and must have died prior to August 1863 when Benedict, as a widower, married for the second time.

I have located Benedict in the 1861 Census and Elizabeth was then still living.

The problem is that I cannot find a Death Record for her - anywhere!

The Census records are consistent with her age and birthplace indicating her birth about 1794 at St Ives.

In this case she is almost certainly the Elisabeth baptised 2nd December 1793 at St Ives d/o David and Elizabeth (nee HAIN).

Elizabeth HAIN is probably Elizabeth HAYNE bp. 28th October 1770 St Ives d/o William Harry and Margery (nee THOMAS) HAIN.

Afraid I have digressed a little - but she does classify as a 'loose end'.

And now to the second wife of Benedict QUICK - Jane THOMAS, widow, daughter of Thomas WARREN.

I can find a marriage for Benedict Quick Widower occ Cooper son of John Quick to Jane Thomas Widow d/o Thomas Warren St Ives 27 Aug 1863 but in the 1871 Census in Baileys Lane I can only ffind Benedict Quick occ Cooperand wife Elizabeth? The age for Benedict is correct however this Elizabeth is 47?

So I am wondering did Benedict marry for the 3rd time to Elizabeth Trevaskis in 1865? I can find a marriage Benedict Quick widower occ Cooper father John Quick Mason (in marriage to Jane Warren father John is Cordwainer) to Elizabeth Trevaskis 42 spinster of St. Erth (Father: William Trevaskis, Mason)

Another question in 1851 sister Christiana is living with Benedict Quick and wife Elizabeth, however I can't find her in the 1841 Census at all - do you have her in the 1841?

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

Firstly - Benedict's second wife, Jane, looks to be the Jane QUICK who died in 1865.

Benedict then married Elizabeth Trevaskis apparently very soon after!

Benedict died in 1877 although I have no more detail than that at the moment.

In 1841 Christian is living with her father:-

Back St, St Ives

Kety Quick, 55
John Quick, 80, Ind.

CT

[Sarch]

Hi CT

Thanks, my personal pet hate - nicknames!

No wonder I could not find Christina would never have thought of Kity.

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

Sarch - there is one problem with the name of Christian in those days and that is that it will appear in numerous different ways.

Christian
Catherine
Kitty
Christiana
Chesson (probably a bit older)
Chessen

To name a few.

She was easy enough to find because, for once, the surname was spelt (and Indexed) correctly.

Simply a matter of searching for Quick at St Ives born 1782+/- a few.

CT

[Sarch]

Hi CT

Just in case she was married in 1841 and the unmarried in 1851 was incorrect, I just searched for Christiana with no date or surname


Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

Much easier to work the other way and search on surname in this case.

Although I have seen Quick as Elick and numerous other variations it is generally a little less difficult to work out a variation.

And if you know roughly when a person was born then you have the +/- option with the age.

Sometimes the christian name works better even John will often be Jno or just Jn with other variations thrown in dependent on the handwriting and the 'nous' of the transcriber.

But there have been other times when all seems to have failed so I have simply done a search on a whole Parish!

The old brain has to be 'on the go' all the time in this game.