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Post by calswimmer on Jul 23, 2009 14:43:02 GMT -5
I consider this Elizabeth to be the one who married Stephen Penberthy in St. Austell. Probably not connected to the Phillack family very closely.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 23, 2009 14:50:47 GMT -5
See note on Penberthy Thread about this but for some continuity here:-
I am reasonably sure this marriage must be correct. (Pending information as requested in the other thread.)
And if we agree that the William who married Elizabeth Taylor at St Austell was the son of Stephen and Dorcas then it also follows that it is most likely that the Elizabeth Cottay marriage is the correct one.
It is also at about exactly the right time in relation to the first child.
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Post by calswimmer on Jul 23, 2009 23:03:42 GMT -5
I don't think the Elizabeth Taylor was in this list of marriages previously, so that throws a wrench into the mix and I have to rethink everything! I had figured the Elizabeth Cottay was the one Elizabeth.
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Post by Mal on Jul 24, 2009 6:38:31 GMT -5
Cal- I have a Penberthy link, but it is much earlier- all my lines are "ancient" and difficult as a result! Nevertheless I have read through this and CT's explanations seem to work- how and where did you get your original information? Have you tried using the variant surnames on BMD and the OPC (not complete and better for marriages than baptisms in my experience). From the OPC I found Early stuff- 04-Feb 1720 Perranzabuloe John LAWRENCE Elizabeth COTTY
09-Feb 1828 Austell, St. Stephen PENBERTHY Elizabeth COTTAY Witnesses were John H Cole John Julyan (any connection? sometimes witnesses can be a clue, i.e. in laws or siblings etc) 25-Apr 1829 Austell, St. William PENBERTHY Elizabeth TAYLOR Witnesses William Tripp Jane Taylor
Were William and Stephen perhaps brothers? Earlier....
11-Feb 1798 Lelant John PENBERTHY Dorcas PENBERTHY
26-Sep 1801 Phillack Stephen PENBERTHY Dorcas PENGLASE NB- Stephen's residence is given as LELANT! Were John and Stephen then perhaps brothers?
On the OPC if you search in marriages, surnames, groom, polgla%
Loads of Polglases come up, all with different spellings!
Whereas pengla% only brings up the following:-
21-Jul 1746 Gwennap James PENGLASE Mary PIERCE / More info 07-Sep 1771 Hilary, St. John PENGLASE Mary MURRISH / More info 03-May 1792 Sancreed John Penglaze Catherine Osborn / More info 14-Jul 1821 Sancreed John PENGLASE Grace MATTHEWS Hoskens / Evans More info 28-May 1825 Austell, St. Nicholas PENGLAZE Loveday HORE Hore / Leatham More info 19-May 1830 Gulval Joseph PENGLASE Patience THOMAS Carbis / Major More info 26-Jun 1834 Austell, St. John PENGLAZE Sibella KITT Penglaze / Kitt More info 12-Sep 1852 Paul William PENGLASE Ann SYMONS SYMONS / RICHARDS More info 25-Jun 1853 Madron William PENGLAZE ELIZABETH WHITE WHITE / TROUNSON More info 08-Mar 1862 Towednack Richard PENGLASE Ann NICHOLLS DUNSTAN / GREEN More info
Hope some of this might help.
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Post by Mal on Jul 24, 2009 6:44:54 GMT -5
PS OPC 02-May 1722 Helston Stephen PENBERTHY 11-May 1755 Helston Stephen PENBERTHY 13-Mar 1785 Helston Stephen PENBERTHY 19-Dec 1790 Helston Stephen PENBERTHY 13-Aug 1807 Helston Stephen PENBERTHY 02-Apr 1815 Lelant Stephen PENBERTHY 07-Jul 1816 Lelant Stephen PENBERTHY 25-Nov 1836 Breage Stephen PENBERTHY
Remember baptism, birth and marriage place do not always correspond to place of residence, i have even found double records of the same person, date, event in two different parishes!!! Usually Ludgvan!! Ha ha !
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Post by calswimmer on Jul 25, 2009 16:54:35 GMT -5
Did she really have John after William died? More work to do if that is so!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 28, 2009 17:24:03 GMT -5
It certainly appears that Elizabeth may have had another liaison after the death of William.
There is a baptism for Anna Jane at St Austell but I can find nothing for John.
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Post by calswimmer on Jul 29, 2009 10:43:29 GMT -5
Can you tell me where you found the death of William? Thanks!
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Post by calswimmer on Jul 29, 2009 13:50:15 GMT -5
OK--I see it. 1832 in Phillack. I see, possibly his wife went back to St. Austell after he died. Or maybe it is just the wrong people.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 1, 2009 0:32:54 GMT -5
No - I think it is the right people.
I would think that William was probably returned to be buried in his 'home Parish'.
He may have actually died at Phillack but it appears more likely that he died elsewhere and was buried 'at home'.
I have so far been able to find only three baptisms for Penberthy people at St Austell.
A William Thomas Penberthy in 1818 - need to investigate him a little further.
Anna Jane d/o William (above) and Elizabeth in 1829.
Elizabeth d/o Stephen and Elizabeth in 1835.
Stephen and William were brothers which helps provide the link to the Elizabeth Taylor marriage.
Now the baptism of William Thomas PENBERTHY at St Austell 6th December 1818 might be interesting.
Parents are listed as John and Margaret Penberthy of Fore Downs.
I am not certain yet but this 'might' be John PENBERTHY and Margaret CHAMPION who married at Lelant 15th April 1811.
Apart from 1748 and 1750 this marriage is the only one for a John Penberthy and Margaret to be found in the OPC site.
It is possible of course that there is another but .....
More investigating to be done.
CT
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 2, 2009 13:53:39 GMT -5
:)That is all very interesting. I see there are a number of St. Austell connections here and there as I look at Penberthy's in the census. One is an eight year-old in 1881 St. Austell named Ernest Penberthy who was adopted by the Gunnell family.
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 2, 2009 14:32:01 GMT -5
Also a John Penberthy died in St. Austell age 72 in 1821.
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 2, 2009 15:57:23 GMT -5
The much earlier Margaret and John Penberthy being Margaret May?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2009 2:52:23 GMT -5
Hello Calswimmer I cannot do too much at the moment as I am still reinstalling software on my PC and, unfortunately, my genealogy program is still a way down the list. Of your brief notes there is one that is of particular interest. It is 'just' possible that the following 'might' be the same man:- John s/o Stephen and Mary Penberthy baptised 11th March 1749 at Lelant His age in 1821 is just about as perfect a match as you would want with this baptism. I cannot guarantee it is the same person but I should think it would be certainly worth investigating. CT
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