Non-Conformist Records Look up offer

[Mal]

Hello everyone,

I have just acquired a cd of non-conformist baptisms and burials in Cornwall from about 1750-1830. Unfortunately I didn't really find anyone I was looking for but I did notice many of the surnames that other people here enquire about. So if you think you might have a person on a non-conformist record in that period then give us a shout here....

Malcolm

[HeatherC]

Hello Malcolm

Blinkin' cheek I know, but.......... if you ever come across any Morvah residents on the cd, could you pass them onto me (pretty please ) ?

I'm not related to the whole of Morvah (in case you were wondering) but I'll send you a pm explaining why.

Best regards
HeatherC

[teesakiwi]

Hi there, Not sure what non-conformist really means, but I did find a lot of my family under that criteria They were Wesleyan way back, and that seems to come under non-conformist. Surname QUICK. ANything you can find would be good as it may answer some questions. Many thanks in anticipation Teesakiwi

[Cornish Terrier]

Basically a Non-conformist is a person whose religious leanings or practices do not 'conform' to the Established Church.

Hence the Wesleyan, Primitive Methodist, Bible Christian and other Chapels that can be found all over Cornwall.

And you will find that some people 'mixed and matched' or 'did a bit of shopping around'!

I have probably more than one family group recorded in my database where the children were baptised Church of England, Primitive Methodist, Bible Christian Chapel and not all necessarily in that particular order.

So it pays to check around if you have a family for whom there is one or more baptisms missing.

CT

[calswimmer]

Yes, please:any Stephen Penberthy or Dorcas Penglase--or Polglase.
Thanks!

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Calswimmer - long time no see and nice to have you back.

Hope you are going to post us a few things to look at or at least to let us know what you are up to.

CT

[calswimmer]

Thanks for the welcome back--
I do lurk once inawhile to keep abreast of the new info--mostly I've been pursuing the genealogy in other geographical areas. Thanks for the encouragement--I may be able to come up with something to post.

[Cornish Terrier]

It's just nice to see you back Calswimmer.

But don't hesitate to contact me if you have problems in those other 'geographical areas' of your research as I might be able to find a way to help.

CT

[Mal]

Hello, sorry I took a while getting back on this one. I couldn't find the specific people you were looking for, but I have included all the possible links to the surnames you mentioned, including middle names that may well indicate a mother's maiden name.


GWENNAP WESLEYAN CIRCUIT
PENBERTH Catherine Jane
7th Aug 1844
daughter of William and Catherine Penberth of Gwennap, was baptised aged 5 months by James Akerman.

ST IVES WESLEYAN CHAPEL
PENBERTHY Eliza Catharine
14th Feb 1836
daughter of John Penberthy of St Ives (Miner) and Eliza his wife, who was the daughter of Thomas and Catherine Bohanna. Born 8th Jan 1836 baptised by James Mowat

PENBERTHY Sarah Catharine
28th July 1836
daughter of Isaac Penberthy of Halsetown, St Ives (Miner) and Sarah his wife, who was the daughter of Thomas and Catharine Bohanna. Born 11th March 1836 and baptised by John Bond.

----My comment- looks like two brothers may have married two sisters here.

HAYLE COPPER HOUSE WESLEYAN CHAPEL
Josiah
10th Jan 1826
son of John Penberthy of Rosengrows and Amy his wife, born 18 Dec 1825 baptised by Thomas Webb

REDRUTH PRIMITIVE METHODIST CHAPEL

17 Aug 1834 George William Burn son of Henry Burn of Falmouth (Joiner) and his wife whose maiden name was PENBERTH, was born 27 July 1834 in Falmouth and was baptised by John Richards.

----My comment- No christian name of mother is given

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I can't find a Stephen Penberthy, but I thought that these Penberth(s)/ies might be connected to your Stephen.
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POLGLAZE

Martha Weeks Polglaze Goad
28th Sept 1828 Falmouth Wesleyan
daughter of William and Elizabeth Goad of Falmouth (Shoemaker), born 6th Sept 1828. Baptised by Thos. Martin.

John Polglaze James
15th Sept 1792 Falmouth Wesleyan
son of John and Mary James of Helston. Baptised by J.B. Wildbore

Henry Polglaze Trestrail
8th June 1817 Falmouth Wesleyan
son of Robert and Alice Trestrail of Falmouth (Cordwainer), born 3rd May 1817 and baptised by John Hawtrey.

John Austin
11th July 1837 Luxillian Bible Christian Circuit
son of William Austin of Tywardreath (Miner) and his wife, who was the daughter of John and Phillippa Polglaze, born 16th March 1833 and was baptised at Tywardreath Chapel by William Courtice.

Mary Ann Polglaze
6th Nov 1814 Ponsanooth Wesleyan Chapel
daughter of Joseph and Ann Polglaze of Falmouth (Mariner), born 24th Sept 1814, baptised by Fras Truscott.

Francis Polglaze
19th April 1820 Hayle Copper House Wesleyan
daughter of Ralph Polglaze of the parish of Deveral in Gwinear and Eleanor his wife, born 26th March 1820, baptised by W. Flint

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BURIALS

Francis Polglaze of Falmouth aged 36 was buried 26th June 1827
by Edward Muscutt- Falmouth Independent

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NOTES-

PENBERTH and PENBERTHY might as well be taken as being variants of the same name- unless I am mistaken.

PENGLAZE is a Parish in Crowan.

POLGLAZE
I don't know much about this family but there seems to be a lot going on around Falmouth.


Hope that helps you, and maybe others!
;D

[calswimmer]

Thanks very much! This is very thorough. My elusive Stephen Penberthy isn't there, but all this information may prove useful. And anything on the Pol/Penglases is more than I had before!
--Calswimmer

[newlyn]

I have come across a marriage of Stephen Penberthy to Dorcas Penglase
26.9.1801 in Phillack.

Have you any more details of either of them as I can do a bit more searching around.

[calswimmer]

Yes, I have all their children John, Stephen, William, Caroline, Elizabeth, Richard-- but neither of their parents. And though I can find records for much of the family, son Stephen's marriage to Elizabeth _____ doesn't appear anywhere. This son Stephen was born about 1802, died 1847 in Ventonleague. He and Elizabeth probably married about 1827-1828. First child was born 1828. It would be nice to have wife Elizabeth's last name.

[newlyn]

There was a John Penberthy born 10.3.1811 Phillack
Also a marriage for John who married Maria Curtis 16.6.1832 Phillack.

Stephen Penberthy born 8.8.1802 Phillack who married Elizabeth Cottre 9.2.1828 St Austell.

William Penberthy born 2.9.1804 Phillack married Elizabeth Taylor 25.4.1829 St Austell

Elizabeth Penberthy born 19.10.1806 Phillack married Peter Northey 6.3.1831 Phillack

Another Elizabeth Penberthy married John Hawke 15.6.1816 Phillack perhaps she is the sister of the older Stephen??

Richard Penberthy born 25.4.1813 Phillack

No info for Caroline Penberthy.

Hope some of this helps!

[Cornish Terrier]

Yes, I have all their children John, Stephen, William, Caroline, Elizabeth, Richard-- but neither of their parents. And though I can find records for much of the family, son Stephen's marriage to Elizabeth _____ doesn't appear anywhere. This son Stephen was born about 1802, died 1847 in Ventonleague. He and Elizabeth probably married about 1827-1828. First child was born 1828. It would be nice to have wife Elizabeth's last name.

Calswimmer - I think I posted the information earlier but just in case:-

Stephen Penberthy married Elizabeth COTTAY at St Austell 9th February 1828.

He was at St Austell for a time and daughter Elizabeth was born there.

And I think it was the 1841 Census the family was at St Austell before returning to Phillack.

Newlyn

William Penberthy born 2.9.1804 Phillack married Elizabeth Taylor 25.4.1829 St Austell

I did not have that marriage!

In fact I think what happened was that I got carried away with the family of Stephen that I completely forgot about William.

Will have a look at that now to see if there were any children.

There would only be a couple because William was buried at Phillack 17th April 1832.

The John who married Maria Curtis belongs to another family as the son of Stephen and Dorcas was buried at Phillack in 1817 at the age of 6.

Also not yet sure about that 'other' Elizabeth but they could both be children of one of Stephen's brothers whom I have yet to look at.

Caroline appears in the Census (and I have seen the original) but it appears she was not Caroline at all!

She was buried at Phillack in 1844 as 'Catherine' age 3 and I think it is her birth registered in the Redruth R.D. in 1841.

Phillack is in the Redruth R.D. but it seems strange that I cannot find the baptism.

Perhaps she was baptised in one of the Chapels.

There was also a Benjamin born in 1843 and buried at Phillack in 1844 age 10 months.

Both were of Ventonleague when they died and Stephen was the only Penberthy having children in the area at the time from what I can see.

I have not found a baptism for Benjamin either but I believe he is also a son of Stephen and Elizabeth.

And this would make sense because Stephen's brother Benjamin was buried at Phillack in 1840.

Okay - I had best check the marriage of William to Elizabeth Taylor now and that should nearly tidy up that part of the family apart from a couple of loose ends.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay - there was a child from the marriage of William and Elizabeth:-

Anna Jane d/o William (miner) and Elizabeth Penberthy of St Austell was baptised at St Austell 6th September 1829.

1841 Census St Austell

Western Turnpike

Elizth PENBERTHY, 32, In County
John do., 4, In County
Anna Jane do., 11, In County

1851 Census St Austell

Old Turnpike

Elizabeth PENBERTHY, head, wid., 38, upholstress, St Austell
Hannah J do., daur., unm., 20, at home, St Austell
John do., son, 14, baker's assistante, St Austell

I have a small problem with this because there is nothing there to positively identify William.

However the St Austell information I have shows no burial at St Austell for William.

It does appear likely that it is the right fellow but it may possibly hinge on the following question!

When William was buried at Phillack in 1832 he was recorded as 'of Ventonleage' age 27.

Does this mean that he had returned to Phillack and then after he died his wife and daughter went back to St Austell?

Or was 'of Ventonleage' recorded because that was the family home and he was brought back from St Austell to be buried?

Then there is the problem of Elizabeth having son John five years after William died.

I am not able to find a baptism for him.

Will have another look tomorrow.

CT