Thomas Quick of Lelant etc

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Along a similar line, Richard Quick and Honour Jacka also had a son Thomas, who died in 1823 in Lelant.

I believe he was the man who married Grace Johns at Ludgvan in 1804 and had at least 5 children, James, Ann, Edward, Thomas and William.

Once again the widow, this time Grace, appears in the 1841 and 1851 census at Lelant.

Would appreciate any comments.

[Cornish Terrier]

What happened to eldest daughter HONOUR?

I already have Thomas as the son of Richard and Honour and I believe there may have been some mention of this family quite some months ago.

Thomas was 'of Lelant' when he married Grace JOHNS as was his brother Richard when he married Thomasin MUNDY.

Back to my initial question regarding daughter Honour.

1851 Census - Minor Lelant

Honor CARLYON, head, mar., 45, wife of tin miner absent, Lelant
John ARTHUR, son, unm., 21, tin miner, Towednack
Honor Jane do., daur., unm., 17, Lelant
Sophia Jane CARLYON, daur., 5, Lelant
Grace QUICK, mother, widow, 70, pauper formerly a miner's wife, Ludgvan

1841 Census - Grace is at Brunnio with son Edward and daughter Anne.

The following two marriages are from the Lelant Online Parish Register Transcripts but I must admit that the second appears a little confusing given it gives the occupation of Honour's father as 'merchant'.

29 November 1827 by banns
John Arthur of this parish
Honour Quick of this parish
Witnesses: Thomas Richards, John Stevens

From FreeBMD:-

John ARTHUR 1839 Penzance R.D. June Qtr Vol 9 Page 140

21 Feb 1840
William Carlyon full age miner Uny Lelant (father: William Carlyon, miner)
Honour Arthur full age widow Uny Lelant (father: Thomas Quick, merchant)
Witnesses: Thomas Richards, Mary Call

These marriages combined with, in particular, the 1851 Census appear to be clear evidence that Honour was the daughter of Thomas and Grace QUICK.

But there is a slight problem - I have been unable to find a baptism for Honour d/o Thomas and Grace QUICK.

And nor can I find a baptism for an Honor JOHNS d/o Grace!

Grace JOHNS 'may' be bp. 19th February 1778 at Ludgvan d/o John and Hannah but I cannot be certain of that.

From here things may get a little messy as I have been so far unable to find Grace QUICK or Honor CARLYON in the 1861 Census.

FreeBMD shows a Death that might be that of the above Honor CARLYON along with another that might be that of the Grace QUICK in question.

Honor CARLYON 1868 Penzance R.D. September Qtr Vol 5c Page 169 age 63

Grace QUICK 1854 Penzance R.D. December Qtr Vol 5c Page 190

More pondering and searching to do I think.

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CT

From here things may get a little messy as I have been so far unable to find Grace QUICK or Honor CARLYON in the 1861 Census

Honor is still at Rejarne under the name of Anna Carlyon, widow, and with two daughters Mary and Sophia. I would suggest that Mary is actually an Arthur and not a Carlyon.

I see that when Honour was born around 1806, if the various ages are correct, the family had been on the move from Lelant to Towednack which may have a bearing on the lack of a baptism?

Deaths Sep 1868 Carlyon Honor 63 Penzance 5c 169
- I am guessing that this is her.

Lannanta

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Mary d/o John and Honour ARTHUR of Rejarne bp. 3rd February 1835 at Lelant

John ARTHUR is probably the one baptised at Lelant 9th April 1800 son of Henry and Mary.

Children of John and Honor:-

John bp. 24th October 1830 Towednack (1851 Census indicates birth about 1828)
Honour Jane bp. 3rd March 1833 'of Regean
Mary bp. 3rd February 1835 at Lelant 'of Rejarne'
Henry bp. 8th January 1837 Lelant 'of Rejaorne'
Priscilla bp. 10th March 1839 at Lelant 'of Rejarne'

A further pointer to John's parents:-

Priscilla d/o Henry and Mary ARTHUR bp. 9th April 1806 Lelant

There is probably a connection with this ARTHUR family and Henry ARTHUR who married Phillis Trewhella GLASSON in 1845 at Lelant.

This Henry was son of Charles ARTHUR m. Jane DUNN 26th May 1816 Lelant.

And the connection may go back to John and Margaret ARTHUR who were baptising children at Towednack in the 1770's.

Another one for me to look at a little later tonight.

Might head around to the fire station and get some updates on what is happening around the State.

CT

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CT

This Henry was son of Charles ARTHUR m. Jane DUNN 26th May 1816 Lelant.

I have always had that the Henry Arthur you mention as the son of Henry Arthur and Molly (Mary) Edwards, married 5/10/1823 in Uny Lelant.

I will have to have a look at that.

Lannanta

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I have been looking at that one also.

My belief is that the Henry who married Mary EDWARDS was the son of Charles ARTHUR who married Ann NOALL at Lelant in 1788.

There is a problem here that I was going to begin a new thread for.

Charles married Ann NOALL in 1788 yet there is only one child baptised to 'Charles and Ann' and that was son Charles in 1793.

There are several other children baptised to 'Charles and Mary' - John 1789, Ann 1795, Henry 1798, Mary 1800 and Mary 1802.

But I can find no marriage for Charles and Mary and it looks very much like the same family.

What is more - Henry and Mary (nee EDWARDS) ARTHUR had one very interestingly named daughter - ANN NOALL ARTHUR who married a John TREMBATH later on at Lelant.

Will try and explain more later.

CT