James Quick the miller

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Hello

James Quick was buried at Madron on the 24th April 1829, aged 43, and was said to be from Trengwainton Cairn. He would therefore be the husband of Ann Curnow, and they were married at Gulval on the 20th December 1817.

James and Ann had at least 5 children, Richard Curnow, Mary Ann, William, James and Jane.

I believe that Ann, a widow, and her son James appear in the 1841 census at Carfury in Gulval, but young James died before the 1851 census so Ann appears by herself.

So, given that James senior was born around 1785, I would like to propose that he was the son of Richard Quick and Honor Jacka and would be pleased to hear any comments.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Do you always make your 'proposals' online?

How come you keep coming up with items that are on my 'sooner or later someone will ask' list??

And I am a little surprised that friend Gandolf has not been involved yet.

I have looked at this particular James a few times but decided that it might be better to work around him for a while.

And I also thought it might be better to take a look at the family of Ann CURNOW given I currently have her 'hanging in limbo'.

One of the key problems is the fact the first child, a son, was named Richard Curnow QUICK.

Yes - it is possible James was son of Richard and Honor.

But I think we need to find out first whether Ann might have been daughter of Richard CURNOW.

And if Ann was the daughter of Richard C then we may need to look at the reasons for the first child being named 'for him'.

If Ann was not the daughter of Richard then there are other considerations - like this just all the more complicated, for example!

Using 'Curnow' as a second name certainly points to Ann's side of the family in which case I think the 'Richard' also belongs there.

(Could have done the old 'kill two birds' trick but ...)

Now - if James was son of Richard and Honor we have some more to think about.

Richard - in limbo

Mary Ann - Hmmm - possibly after his wife Ann but then 'why Mary Ann' and not just 'Ann'?

William -

James - seems easy but why after William?

Jane -

Not spelt anything like Honor so I need to be asking just why a daughter was named Jane if his mother was named Honor - particulary if 'Mary Ann' was named after mother.

There seems nothing to suggest other members of the family to be involved anywhere other than Ludgvan, Lelant or St Ives.

Obviously nothing conclusive there and some might consider it a 'stupid statement'!

Yes he had a brother named William but there is no sister named Jane.

Another point may be argued about his occupation - 'miller' - although this again is by no means a point that would necessarily prove or disprove any argument.

But it is a 'strange' occupation if he were the son of Richard and Honour as you suggest possible.

I really think more work on the CURNOW side might be of help before deciding just where this particular James QUICK belongs.

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CT

Another point may be argued about his occupation - 'miller' - although this again is by no means a point that would necessarily prove or disprove any argument.

This got me thinking, but I did note that when his first child, Richard Curnow Quick, was born James was stated to be from Trevarrack, which if my memory serves me correctly was the site of a mine.

James just seems to be the local boy. Born in Ludgvan, married in Gulval (which as I now know is just a wee walk through the fields) and living in Trevarrack, Treneere and Trengwainton. The other James of the same era tend to be from St Ives and there is really no suggestion that this man walked from St Ives at any stage.

Not spelt anything like Honor so I need to be asking just why a daughter was named Jane if his mother was named Honor

If James was the brother of Richard, you could ask the same question of Richard and Thomasin - if Richard's mother was Honour why did they name their second daughter Elizabeth?

I will study the Ann Curnow a little more, but at this stage it is really only the name Jane that does not fit - would you agree?

I see that there is a burial for an Ann Quick in 1855 at Madron, aged 69 years from Gulval, putting her birth at 1786.

From that I have noted that there a number of parents in Ludgvan around 1780/1790 but the Richard you suggest was at St Ives, and I think we may already know him. My most likely candidate for what it is worth is Henry Curnow/Margaret Stratten, married 1778, a number of children including Richard, Mary, Jane and Ann.

Lannanta

PS - speaking of sister Jane, wasn't that a song by somebody - sister Jane, you gotta change your name, you gotta get out soon before you go insane, before the town starts talking when they see you out walkin..... maybe they were thinking of her!! ;D Not only that I just sang that to myself and even I thought I sounded terrible - only used one note though.

[Cornish Terrier]

Sister Jane - by The New World

I just happen to have a copy or two of that on good old Vinyl '45.

Plenty to consider here and you have probably added a few things that I had not thought of last time I looked at this.

And I had looked at that burial for Ann QUICK also but was not completely happy without further research.

Another for my list of 'things to do' tonight so long as things remain quiet.

The next week is looking a lot more dicey and that begins tomorrow with high temperatures forecast again.

Will know more on that in about two hours when the weather forecast arrives on my pager.

See what I can do tonight.

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CT

So, given that James senior was born around 1785, I would like to propose that he was the son of Richard Quick and Honor Jacka and would be pleased to hear any comments.

I am still of the opinion that this James is who I suggested he was. Whaddayareckon?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

For the moment I prefer to leave the answer as 'maybe'.

It is a good possibility but I would like to know about more about the remaining possibilities.

However, Ann buried at Madron in 1855 is, I think, most certainly his widow just as the James (age 21 of Carfury in Guval) buried at Madron in 1849 was his son.

As with a few other queries - will have to think more on this later on.

Way past bed time.

CT

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CT

So, given that James senior was born around 1785, I would like to propose that he was the son of Richard Quick and Honor Jacka and would be pleased to hear any comments.

And also for the same reason I am proposing that this is also correct.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

I will take another good look at this over the next day or so when I will hopefully have cleared up a few other little problems that I am working on.

CT