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Post by marychown on Jun 2, 2009 13:36:43 GMT -5
Hello Loolah,
I may be able to help you out with the locations of Quay Street and Battery Square being Penzance born and bred myself. Quay Street does still exist. It runs from the harbour up towards the bottom of Chapel Street just in front of St. Mary's Church. The Dock Inn and the Dolphin pub can still be found in Quay Street. Battery Square used to be in the very same area - just a stone's throw away from Quay Street. It was in an area of some very old housing which, I do believe, was condemned and demolished many years ago - before my time even! It was approximately where St. Anthony Gardens now is, which is just across the road from the outdoor bathing pool, where Battery Rocks are located. Coinagehall Street is also still there - the Barbican Arts and Crafts Centre and the Yacht Inn are located there.
Hope to have been of some assistance,
Regards,
Mary
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Post by londoner on Jun 2, 2009 14:03:38 GMT -5
in 1861 Peter Junior is in Sennen - visitiing James Wallis & family at Treeve
by 1871 he is married - to a Mary Hitchens something, I cant find the marriage at the moment. But Peter senior (wid) m in Madron 11 Jul 1866 Jane Hitchens widow
Peter & Marys children were baptised at the Penzance Wesleyan circuit
cant find them in 1881
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Post by Loolah on Jun 3, 2009 17:57:39 GMT -5
Thanks to CT and Londoner - most imformative. Peter Young did indeed marry Eliza Blake (6 March 1827 - Madron). When she died in 1852, he married widow Ann Davies (30 December 1853 Madron). She died in 1865 and the following year he married widow Jane Hitchens (11 July 1866 - Madron). Unlucky or should we be a tad suspicious? It looks like the Williams were well known to the Youngs and probably friends. Buy I'll leave them there for now. Back to James Young - does anyone know how we might find out whether there is a headstone for James Young buried 12 March 1788 Madron? I feel that CT is right in that he might be the original James who didn't drown circa 1773/4 - I would so like to find some evidence. Any ideas anyone? Loolah
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Post by Loolah on Jun 3, 2009 18:01:26 GMT -5
Hello Mary Thank you - how kind. I am yet to visit the area but I shall certainly take your directions with me! Best wishes Loolah
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Post by Loolah on Jun 26, 2009 13:14:05 GMT -5
Hello all you helpful souls out there . Frustrated with the ever elusive James Young (soldier and sojourner) I have been looking at his younger son, Peter Young(c.1774-1831), with whom I'm having a little more luck. He married Sarah Green (Geen?) on 9 April 1799 at St. Ives. She died on 1 August 1845 at Cambourne St., Pz. It seems they spawned a generation of seafarers. 1. Peter Young (1804-1892) master mariner, died at 20 Quay St., Pz. He was the one who married three times (hmmmm, still think that's odd). 2. One of his sons, Peter (1837-?) was also a master mariner and married Mary Hitchens Colenso. They had lots of children one of whom was Peter Percival Young born 20 December 1871. He joined the Royal Navy but sadly died on 12 January 1896 (arterial obstruction) at the Naval Hosptial in Hants. While I have a look into his siblings I thought I'd throw in the following little curioes: 1. The first Peter Young (b.abt. 1774) also had a daughter, Sarah born 1800. It looks like she married John Hugh in July 1831 a few months after her father died. I believe John Hugh was quite a bit older than her (25 years if the 1841 census is correct). John Hugh died in 1845 and I think Sarah might have married again but she was getting on a bit. I'm still looking at this one. 2. I have found a reference (OPC and Free BMD) to the baptism of Richard Dale Young to Sarah Young Spinster Madron 15 March 1867. I can't find Richard after that (census or death record). I'm not sure which Sarah was the mother or what happened to Richard. Sarah may have married after the birth but to whom? (Mr Dale perhaps?!) Any ideas? Nothing simple from me eh (CT - You like a challenge) Best wishes to all Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2009 9:28:15 GMT -5
Hello Loolah - I am trying to take a bit of a look at this for you but it might be spread over a couple of days. Firstly - Sarah HUGH, widow. From a combination of FreeBMD and the 1851 Census I can offer this:- Philip CORIN m. Sarah HUGH Penzance R.D. 1848 - March Qtr Vol 9 Page 234 Philip was born about 1789/90 at Penzance and in 1851 was recorded as a 'retired carpenter'. Sarah was then age 50 and a 'schoolmistress'. I do not yet know how many children Peter and Sarah YOUNG had but there was certainly a daughter Hannah born about 1815. John Nicholas DALE married Hannah YOUNG 1st March 1840 at Madron (Witnesses:- Jno HUGH, Sarah HUGH) Will continue to look for answers to your other queries. CT
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Post by newlyn on Jun 27, 2009 11:41:31 GMT -5
There was a Philip Corin born 20.3.1786 in Gulval. Parents likely to be Philip Corin who married Ann Nicholls 1.6.1782 Gulval.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2009 12:23:36 GMT -5
Loolah - from a bit of a look around the Census it would seem likely that the mother of Richard Dale YOUNG was Sarah Ann YOUNG, born about 1841 and daughter of Peter and Eliza.
From FreeBMD and a check of the Census you will find that Sarah Ann YOUNG married George FITTALL in 1872.
No sign of her son Richard as yet but will check the baptism entry and then have a look at burials.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2009 12:37:21 GMT -5
Loolah - another little twist for you! I believe I have probably found out what happened to Richard Dale YOUNG but afraid I have no explanation for it. If you search FreeBMD and look for 'Richard Young' - All Types - Penzance District and leave the date open you will get the following:- Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1867 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Young Richard Dale Penzance 5c 311 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUNG Richard Samuel 1 Penzance 5c 219 These are the ONLY entries in FreeBMD for Richard Young in the Penzance District. I believe they are one and the same person but cannot explain why the birth is recorded as 'Dale' and the Death as 'Samuel'. Will try and search for a little more tomorrow. CT
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Post by Loolah on Jul 1, 2009 18:30:04 GMT -5
The plot thickens! Most odd about Richard Dale/Samuel Young. Last week I ordered the birth cert. for Richard Dale Young but now I think I'll also get the death cert. for Richard Samuel to see if it gives any clues . Thank you for the inf. on Sarah Hugh's next marriage. I can look up Mr. Corin now. As for Hannah Dale nee Young, I had her tucked away in my Ancestry Shoebox but had forgotten all about her. I had saved her in the 1841 and 51 census but had forgotten why . When she was married to John Dale, she lived in Union Street and her mother, Sarah Young, was with her age 70. (Interestingly there was a Sarah Pidwell living close by.) Thank you also for the date of Sarah Young's marriage to George Fitall. I had Peter Young's last appearance in the census (1891) was with the Fitall family at Peter's house in Quay Street (he died the following year). I'm building up quite a picture of Peter Young and his descendants thanks to you and the other amazingly helpful folk I'll let you what I find when the certs arrive. Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2009 4:35:33 GMT -5
Loolah - as always I am pleased to be of help where I can and I think that can also be said of the rest of 'our clan'. I will look forward to the results from the certificates. And I must say that I am very happy you joined us here. Your feedback and interaction is most welcome and it gives us something a little different to chew on. Also gives us something more to learn from. CT
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Post by Loolah on Jul 3, 2009 11:42:10 GMT -5
CT - what kind words indeed - thank you Now, back to the grindstone. The certs have arrived (very quick service from the GRO at the mo) and I can tell you the following: 1.Sarah Ann Young d/o Peter and Eliza was the mother of Richard Dale Young b. 31 December 1866 at St. Andrew Street, St. Ives. Sarah's address was Quay Street. I wonder who lived at St. Andrews Street? (I'm awaiting the death cert. for Richard Samuel Young - we'll see if that give any clues) 2. John Hugh, Sarah Young's rather old husband, died 27 September 1845 at Cambourne Street (where Sarah and John are recorded in the 1841 census). According to the cert. he was formerly a mason but late, a baker. John Dale of Chapel Street , Pz was the informant. I sure am filling up Peter Young's tree. Now for something completely different - Have you looked at the British Library's new online collection (http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs) It's a bit pricey but I found a few articles that mentioned some of my Youngs. I also popped in Tonkin Young (I think it helps to have at least one unusual name in the tree!) and found an extract from the Liverpool Mercury death notices. It was about John Wearne Young, s/o Tonkin Young, who died on 7 January 1883 and is buried in Birkenhead. What was he doing in Liverpool I wondered. It said he was Second Officer City of Brussels so I googled City of Brussels and found the ship has been struck by another in thick fog on the Mersey on 7 January 1883. It sank in 20 minutes losing 10 hands - including John W Young. Fascinating stuff. I am such an anorak ! I'd better be off. Thank you again for your kind words. Loolah
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Post by londoner on Jul 3, 2009 14:32:42 GMT -5
Before spending a fortune on Pay - per view for the British Newspapers collection, if you are in the UK, check if your local Library Ticket gives you access -Cornwall certainly does! ;D
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Post by Loolah on Jul 8, 2009 14:00:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip Londoner - I shall investigate.
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Post by Loolah on Jul 8, 2009 14:13:45 GMT -5
CT - I have received the death cert. for Richard 'Samuel' Young. He died of Bronchitis on 18 January 1868 at the Union Workhouse, Madron. Mother was Sarah Young (so it looks like he is our Richard 'Dale' Young). I am unable to decypher what it says under her name. It looks like something of all something (not much help I know) . I shall get another pair of eyes to look at the wording. Anyway, I promised to let you know. I note that when Sarah married George Fitall they did not have any children (unless they came and went between census) So the saga continues... Loolah
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