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Post by marychown on Aug 24, 2008 1:17:34 GMT -5
I myself am descended from WILLIAM DE ROUFFIGNAC (1729-1791) through both his son FRANCIS (1763-1832) who married MARGARET JAMES at Paul on 18 May 1795 and his daughter ELIZABETH (1775-1857) who married PHILIP BATTEN at Paul on 22 June 1799 - due to the fact that WILLIAM'S great-grandchildren CATHERINE JOHNS who was the daughter of ELIZABETH JAMES ROUFFIGNAC (1796-1872) and granddaughter of FRANCIS and her second cousin JOHN BATTEN (grandson of PHILIP BATTEN and ELIZABETH ROUFFIGNAC) were married at Paul on 13 June 1857.
I would be interested in exchanging information with other descendants.
Best wishes,
Mary Chown
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Post by cornishpasty on Aug 26, 2008 20:20:22 GMT -5
Hi Mary and welcome,
I am related to William de ROUFFIGNAC through Grace de ROUFFIGNAC b. 1835 d. 1905 who married John Baker KLISKEY b. 1836 c. 1911.
I am the great-granddaughter of William's great granddaughter's husband's nephew. ;D
Look forward to exchanging information and helping where I can.
CP
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Post by marychown on Aug 27, 2008 11:57:37 GMT -5
Hello CP,
Many thanks for your reply. Do you know if anything is known about the date of birth and place of birth in France of William's paternal great-grandfather Thomas de Rouffignac who married Marie de la Motte? I believe Marie was born in La Rochefoucauld but I don't know when she was born or when and where she and Thomas married. The same goes for the parents of William's grandmother Madeleine de Bonafous. I know that she and Jacob married at Puyslaurens on 11 November 1675, but I do not know exactly whether or not she came from Puylaurens or any dates of birth and place of origin, etc. for Madeleine, her parents Pierre de Bonafous and Marie d'Amalvy.
Looking forward to hearing from you again,
Kind regards,
Mary
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Post by cornishpasty on Aug 28, 2008 7:23:01 GMT -5
Hi Mary,
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I have no dates of birth, death or marriage for Thomas de Rouffignac or his wife, Marie de la Motte. I have their son, Jacob's details as:
Born 6 Jan 1640, Rochefoucauld, Charenis, France Died 5 Dec 1721, London, UK Married Madeleine (Magdalen) du Bonafous 11 Dec 1675, Puylaurens, France Madeleine du Bonafous died 1718 (unknown). I have no date of birth for her.
They had the following children:
Susanne Rouffignac b. France d. 1749 London, UK
Marie Rouffignac (no details)
Jean Rouffignac b. 1676, France
Pierre Rouffignac b. 1682, France d. 1764, London, UK
Dr. Guidon (Guy) Rouffignac b. 1683, France d. 23 Nov 1747, St. Bride`s ?? m. Mary VINCENT (date unknown but she died in 1722) and he remarried on 30 Mar 1722 Alice KERRILL and they had 7 children, one of whom was William ROUFFIGNAC b. 20 Jul 1729, Croydon, Surrey, UK. I have 4 children listed as being born in the UK and the other 3 (unknown place of birth).
Jacques Rouffignac b. 1686 d. 1719, London, UK
Nathaniel Rouffignac b. 1687 d. 1688
Jean Rouffignac b. 1688, London, UK d. 1689, London, UK
You may already have all these details and a lot more. ;D
I will post the Grace ROUFFIGNAC / John Baker KLISKEY details for you tomorrow, if you are interested.
Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.
Regards CP
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Post by marychown on Aug 28, 2008 12:34:47 GMT -5
Hello CP,
Once again many thanks for getting back so quickly and for filling me in with a few dates previously unknown. I will let you know all the information that I have on the ancestors and siblings of William just in case you have some bits missing as well.
Jacob de Rouffignac died 5 Dec 1721 in London; buried 11 Dec 1721 at Stanford le Hope, Essex (church of his son Peter who was rector there);
Madeleine (his wife) buried 31 Dec 1718 also at Stanford le Hope, Essex.
Their children -
Jean Henri (son) born 4 Dec 1676 at Puycasquier/Mauvezin, France; died before 1685 in France;
Suzanne (daughter) born about 1679 at Puycasquier/Mauvezin, France; buried 22 April 1749 at St. Thomas the Apostle, London;
Pierre (son) born 27 May 1682 at Puycasquier/Mauvezin, France; Died 30 Dec 1746 in London and buried 4 Jan 1747 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London;
GUIDON/GUY born 1683 (no exact date known) at Puycasquier/Mauvezin, France; died 23 Nov 1747 at Gough Square, Fleet Street, London and buried 29 Nov 1747 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London;
Jacques (son) born 1685 (no exact date known) in London and baptised 21 Mar 1686 at Threadneedle Street Huguenot Church, London; died 1719 (no exact date known) and buried 4 July 1719 at Croydon;
Nathaniel (son) born 12 Sep 1687 at Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England; died Aug 1688 (no exact date known) and buried 1 Sep 1688 at Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England;
Jean (son) born 31 Jan 1689 at London and baptised 16 Feb 1698 at Meppershall, Bedfordshire; died 17 Feb 1689 at Meppershall, Bedfordshire;
Marie (daughter) born about 1690 England, died before 1695.
Children of Dr. Guy Rouffignac:
John born 16 July 1723 at Croydon, Surrey and baptised 30 July 1723 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; buried 28 Aug 1730 at Croydon;
Elizabeth born 20 July 1724 at Croydon and baptised 28 July 1724 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; married Francis Davies at St. Martin Ludgate or Bridewell Chapel, London, by licence, on 23 July 1746;
Charlotte born 23 Sep 1725 at Croydon and baptised 14 Sep 1725 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; buried 7 April 1726 at Croydon;
Mary Magdalen born 2 Sep 1726 at Croydon and baptised 23 Sep 1726 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; buried 29 Sep 1735 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London;
Francis born 13 Nov 1727 at Croydon and baptised 25 Nov 1727 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; died 8 Sep 1730 at Croydon and buried 10 Sep 1730 at Croydon;
WILLIAM born 20 July 1729 at Croydon and baptised 25 July 1729 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; died 1791 (no exact date known) at Liphook, Hampshire, England and buried 13 Oct 1791 at Bramshott, Hampshire, England;
Henry born 21 Dec 1730 at Croydon and baptised 4 Jan 1731 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon; died July? (no exact date known) and buried 2 Aug 1734 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London;
Penelope born 23 July 1732 at London and baptised 1 Aug 1732 at St. Bride's. Fleet Street, London; died Nov 1735 (no exact date known) and buried 25 Nov 1735 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London;
Theophilia born 22 Dec 1733 at London and baptised 1 Jan 1734 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London; died August 1734 (no exact date known) and buried 15 Aug 1734 at St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London.
As regards Mary Vincent (1st wife of Guy) my information is as follows:
Guy married her on 25 Sep 1718 at St. John the Baptist, Croydon by licence. She died on 19 Sep 1721 at Croydon. Guy married Alice Kerrill on 30 Mar 1722 at St. Margaret's, Lee, Kent by licence.
You mentioned your direct ancestor Grace de Rouffignac marrying John Baker Kliskey (born 1836) and I am interested in the Kliskey family. I believe I am correct in saying that John's paternal grandparents were Johan Kowleskey aka John Keleskey (originally from Koenigsburg, Prussia and serving on the brig HMS Boxer) who married Mary Baker at Paul on 10 Mar 1799. The latter couple also had a daughter called Susanna (Susan) baptised 2 May 1802 at Paul who married Stephen Hichens at Paul on 24 Feb 1833. Stephen died and was buried at Paul on 15 Jan 1841. Then his widow Susanna married widower Robert Simons at Paul on 10 April 1842. They had no childen. But Robert Simons (baptised 25 April 1790 at Paul) ; buried 10 Sep 1866 at Paul) is my maternal 3xgreat-grandfather. From his first marriage to Elizabeth Wright Robert had a son, Charles Simons (baptised 21 Mar 1824) who married Elizabeth Richards at Paul on 16 Nov 1845. Their daughter Elizabeth Simons (1864) married William James Harvey at Paul on 17 Mar 1899 and they were the parents of my maternal grandfather William James Harvey (born at Mousehole on 17 July 1889; died on 16 Nov 1918 at sea in World War l).
All the best and once again many thanks,
Kind regards,
Mary
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Post by cornishpasty on Aug 29, 2008 5:43:48 GMT -5
Hi Mary, Thanks for your reply and for some of the missing dates etc. To save you typing up a lot of information which I may already have (as I do have quite a bit), I will give you access to my Family Tree on Tribalpages. If there is anything that you find incorrect please don't hesitate to let me know and, of course, if you have additional information, that would be a bonus. I will post my password to you through PM (private message) which you will see is listed at the very top of the Penwith Genealogy page. Here is the link to my Tree: corny.tribalpages.comHave fun. ;D CP
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Post by marychown on Aug 30, 2008 0:34:05 GMT -5
Hello CP,
Many thanks for getting back and for the PMs. Your family tree is most impressive and having looked at it, I can see that we may have a few links in common.
All the best for now,
Kind regards,
Mary
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Post by marychown on Aug 9, 2009 3:47:30 GMT -5
This may be of interest to everyone, who like myself, are direct descendants of William and his grandfather Pasteur JACOB DE ROUFFIGNAC, Huguenot Minister of Puycasquier, Armagnac 1671-1685, who following his persecution at the time of the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes fled with his family to London. Jacob's son Dr. Guy de Rouffignac was a physician and JP in Croydon before becoming Lecturer or Reader in Anatomy at Barber Surgeons' Hall in London. It was Guy's only surviving son, William, who moved from Hertfordshire to live in Newlyn/Paul and whose offspring intermarried with the local population forming the Rouffignac dynasty in the Newlyn area. I have recently been able to view on line letters of JACOB DE ROUFFIGNAC sent to his contacts in France after he had settled in England. The book contributor is Harvard University and the subject is 'Societe de l'histoire du protestantisme francais' published by Paris: Agence centrale de la Societe 1891. Below is a link to it. www.archive.org/stream/bulletinhistori00fragoog/bulletinhistori00fragoog_djvu.txtI know that you Cornish Pasty will be interested as you are also a direct descendant and there must be more members present and future out there, as William's offspring were prolific in West Penwith. Kindest regards, Mary
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Post by abijenkins on Mar 1, 2012 15:30:41 GMT -5
Hello I was very excited to see these posts. I have just started looking into my family tree when my dad passed family papers to me shortly before he died. I suspected that part of the tree would be relatively simple to trace with a name like Rouffignac being my dad's maternal grand-mothers maiden name.
I understand my grand-mother and her parents (John and Leontine Wills nee Rouffignac) moved to South Walesat the turn of the 20th century following a fishing accident where three of the uncles died (although I don't know any deatils about this incident).
I am a descendent of William Rouffignac via his son Francis and his son Ambrose Kerrill. Interestingly Kerrell (as we now spell it) continues to be a family name with both my nephew (age 10) and my son (age 2) having it as a middle name.
I am a total newby to genealogy and any information you would be willing to share would be greatly apprecisted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 16:48:29 GMT -5
Hello
I am in the process of adding the Rouffignac memebrs to my family database and I also have the various Ambrose Kerrell Rouffignacs in that database, particularly the one that married Mary Glasson at Paul, near Penzance.
Lannanta
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Post by marychown on Mar 2, 2012 3:13:11 GMT -5
Hello Abi,
It appears that you and I are both descended from Francis Rouffignac who married Margaret James at Paul on 18 May 1795 - you through Ambrose Kerrell Rouffignac and I through his sister Elizabeth James Rouffignac. I have extensive information on this family going back through Francis's father William de Rouffignac (1729-1791), grandfather Guy de Rouffignac (1643-1747) and great-grandfather Jacob de Rouffignac (1640-1721)who was a Huguenot church minister. For two years prior to the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes Jacob was imprisoned - first at Gimont and later at Toulouse. Then Jacob had to flee to safety in London from Mauvezin (Armagnac) France with his wife Madeleine and young children Suzanne, Pierre and Guy following the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685 and subsequent persecution of Huguenots in France. His church or 'Temple' at Puycasquier near Mauvezin had been destroyed in July 1685. Jacob was born in La Rochefoucauld near Limoges, France and his parents were Thomas de Rouffignac and Marie de la Motte. Madeleine's parents were Pierre de Bonafous and Marie d'Amalvy. Jacob and Madeleine were married at Puylaurens (Languedoc) on 11 November 1675.
Guy was a physician and JP in Croydon and later in London and he became Lecturer or Reader at Barber-Surgeons' Hall, London - the forerunner of the Royal College of Surgeons. Guy's wife Alice Kerrill (1690-1765) was the daughter of Thomas Kerrill of Hadlow, Kent. Alice's sister Elizabeth Kerrill married Jeffrey Amherst, a Bencher at Gray's Inn. Their son, Jeffrey Amherst (1716-1797) became Field Marshal Sir Jeffrey Amherst, 1st Baron Amherst of Holmesdale. He was Commander-in-Chief of the Forces and Crown Governor of Virginia and Governor General of British North America. Jeffrey Amherst Sr of Riverhead, Kent was one of William de Rouffignac's godfathers.
William de Rouffignac was a midshipman and served in the Royal Navy from 1743 to 1751, having entered under the patronage of Lord Henry Beauclerk who later became one of the lords of the Admiralty. William married Elizabeth Miscally at Stranraer in 1761. According to the records of the admission of his son Francis to St. Paul's School, London in 1771, William was at that time a calico printer at Hertford. Regarding commercial undertakings in London, William received by licence from the Chamberlain of the City of London dated November 1773 permission to trade in the City. I am still uncertain as to how exactly this came about, but in 1775 William and his wife Elizabeth moved to live in Newlyn with their four oldest children. Their daughter Elizabeth was baptised at Paul on 16 August 1775 and their son John was baptised at Paul on 3 March 1780. William was away from home when he died at Liphook, Hants and he was buried at Bramshott, Hants on 13 October 1791. At his demise he was described as 'a stranger, aged 63', but this stranger was first cousin to Field Marshal Lord Amherst, the Commander-in-Chief of the British Army then still alive. His widow, Elizabeth, died and was buried at Paul on 13 May 1812 aged 72.
I have on file copies of the wills of William de Rouffignac, fisherman of Paul, Cornwall (proved at London 24 October 1791) in which he named his wife Elizabeth de Rouffignac; also a copy of the will of Jacob de Rouffignac, Master of Arts of St. Swithin's, City of London.
If you would like any more detailed information on this family, please contact me by e-mail and I can send it to you. My e-mail address is listed just under my name and avatar to the left of this post.
Kind regards,
Mary
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2012 10:23:36 GMT -5
Collins English Dictionary stran'ger n. a person from another country, town, place, etc.; a foreigner; an unknown person; a newcomer to a place; one unaccustomed (to); a formal guest or visitor [O.Fr. estrange, fr. L. extraneus, outer]. By its true meaning then it would not have mattered had William been the Bishop of Canterbury, he would still have been 'a stranger'.
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Post by marychown on Mar 2, 2012 13:06:48 GMT -5
Or as William's great-great-granddaughter - my great-grandmother - a Penwithian through and through from Newlyn, used to say: 'a furriner and backlander'!
I quote from p. 282 of J.W. de Grave's work 'A Refugee Pasteur at the Revocation: Jacob de Rouffignac and his Descendants'; Proceedings of the Huguenot Society Vol. 5 1894-1896 (Huguenot Society Library, University College, London):
'He died at Liphook, and was buried in the Churchyard of the village of Bramshott, Hants, on the 13th Oct. 1791. He is described in the Burial Register as "a stranger, aged 63", but this "stranger" was first cousin to Field Marshal, Lord Amherst, the Commander-in-Chief of the English Army, then living. Elizabeth Rouffignac, his widow, was buried at Paul Parish, Cornwall on 13th May, 1812, aged 72 years.'
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Post by marychown on Mar 3, 2012 3:34:15 GMT -5
Hello Abi,
Many thanks for your e-mail. I have just e-mailed you directly with lots of additional information on the de Rouffignac and Kerrill families.
Kind regards,
Mary
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Post by chyangof on Apr 12, 2013 15:51:25 GMT -5
I've just joined the list as I noticed the de Rouffignac family mentioned when I googled. I've been researching this family since 2000.
I take foreign people to help me run my guest house on the HelpX scheme. This week a French lady came for 2 weeks to help me and improve her English. On her first day I explained to her that in West Cornwall many of the families have French origins including the de Rouffignac family. There was a long silence, then she said, "you are not going to believe this, my mother's maiden name was de Rouffignac and I can show you where they lived and explain how the name came to be". Can you imagine my shock. I've had many coincidences while researching over the last 50+ years but this was the greatest one.
My granddaughter is the 6xg granddaughter of Elizabeth de ROUFFIGNAC 1775. She is also related through various other lines, ie TRAHAIR, BODINNAR, RICHARDS, MANN and many more.
A group of us has been meeting at my home every Tuesday to discuss family history since 2001.
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