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Post by Isambard on Mar 17, 2008 9:30:10 GMT -5
Pallot's Marriage Index shows a James Ponisi marriage to a Mary Newton on 17 March 1811 in Penzance. From the 1841 census I believe this was James Ponisi born in Italy abt 1791, who lived in St. Andrew, Devon, with daughters Mary b. abt 1826 in St. Andrew, and Rosina b. abt 1827 in St. Andrew, and who died 4th qtr 1878 in St. Austell (Free BMD). I am looking for any information on Mary Newton, James Ponisi's wife and the link to the Isaac Newton family of Madron/Penzance (ref 1841 census). Alexander Gendall Newton married Marian Ponisi 15 June 1845 in Penzance. Marian was probably James Ponisi's daughter Mary. If so Alexander's mother-in law was presumably a Newton.  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 17, 2008 10:22:28 GMT -5
The 1811 Marriage did occur at Penzance but was recorded at Madron according to Phillimore & Taylor. This marriage was 'by licence'. This is another problem I will have to try and look at tomorrow.  Will see what I can find. But what is of interest to me is the 'Italian' connection. I know of know actual connection to my own family here but two brothers (who are related) went to Italy in the mid 1800's and were building railways - including that around Mount Etna. These boys were from Ludgvan but it is interesting that, even though earlier, there seem to have been Italian connections with West Cornwall.  Most interesting but, as I said, will have to try and look at it tomorrow. Ian |
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Post by Isambard on Mar 17, 2008 10:49:43 GMT -5
The 1811 Marriage did occur at Penzance but was recorded at Madron according to Phillimore & Taylor. This marriage was 'by licence'. This is another problem I will have to try and look at tomorrow. Will see what I can find. But what is of interest to me is the 'Italian' connection. I know of know actual connection to my own family here but two brothers (who are related) went to Italy in the mid 1800's and were building railways - including that around Mount Etna. These boys were from Ludgvan but it is interesting that, even though earlier, there seem to have been Italian connections with West Cornwall. Most interesting but, as I said, will have to try and look at it tomorrow. Ian Another Italian immigrant to Cornwall was Joseph Ponisi, perhaps James's brother, who settled in St Austell and who married Lydia. Together they produced over ten children. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 17, 2008 10:54:05 GMT -5
Must have a look at that also.
BTW - The Penzance Marriages were recorded at Madron until such time as Penzance was approved licence to perform them.
Would need to check my books but you will find much of the Penzance records recorded at Madron.
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Post by Isambard on Mar 18, 2008 17:05:45 GMT -5
Must have a look at that also. BTW - The Penzance Marriages were recorded at Madron until such time as Penzance was approved licence to perform them. Would need to check my books but you will find much of the Penzance records recorded at Madron. Digging in the OPC baptisms and marriage listings I came up with the following, which would suggest that Mary Newton could have been Alexander Gendall Newton's aunt as well as mother-in law and therefore Marian Ponisi and Alexander 1st cousins: Marriage William Newton to Frances Drew 24 Jan 1786 in Madron/Penzance, with the following issue, assuming the father "William" listed in the baptimal records is common to all and that Madron and Penzance parish listings were recording variations: Mary 22 July 1786 Penzance - six months from marriage date John 30 March 1788 Penzance Mary 22 April 1790 Madron - perhaps first Mary died? Francis 27 Nov 1791 Penzance Ann Drew 1 April 1793 Madron Isaac 19 Nov 1797 Penzance Eleanor 13 Oct 1799 Penzance Grace 24 Jan 1802 Penzance Johanna 26 Feb 1805 Penzance Now I need to see if I can confirm the relationships. Any comments welcomed indeed! |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 19, 2008 10:37:19 GMT -5
According to IGI there were only three marriages of a William Newton in Cornwall between 1770 and 1790 which is the time-frame I would expect. To Elizabeth Tremethac 14th March 1781 at Madron. The second was in 1782 at Camborne to Henrietta Tilly and I think can be discounted. To Frances Drew 24th January 1786 at Madron. It looks quite probable that your Mary may be a product of the last of these but it is 'possible' she may belong to the earlier marriage. Another possibility is that the two Williams married at Madron are one and the same man with a second marriage involved. But then, maybe not given that both parties in 1781 were then widowed and both were 'of Penzance'. In the latter marriage both parties were also 'of Penzance'. I cannot, from IGI, currently identify a baptism for any of these so will have to think long and hard on the problem.  |
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